Re: t-and-f: The System

jp said: I love watching the steeple but put a dozen Kenyans in the race along with the other 3 or 4 best in the world based on time with no Americans and my interest diminishes greatly and I am a hard-core fan. With a statement like that how can you possibly be a hard core fan? What does

Re: t-and-f: Let's talk track

Interesting that you see a Kenyan-free final. I have a feeling at least Komen will sneak onto the medal stands. And its too bad Sammy K. is'nt going to be taking part or it could get really interesting!! Bob Men's 5000 1. Ali Said Sief 2. Salah Hissou 3. Mohammed Mourhit

t-and-f: GP vs. Olympics?

How about not having a GP series during Olmpic years? How do you think that would affect the quality of the field and importance of the Olympics? Or, since the whole concept of amateurism is pretty moot anyway, pay the athletes depending on what place they finish in..maybe redirect the GP

Re: t-and-f: Looking for full olympics results

try this one: http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport/hi/english/static/in_depth/olympics/2000/results_schedule/res_by_sport.stm Hello, Does anyone know a website where I can find full results of the Olympic Games _ Get Your Private,

t-and-f: Ngeny Gets Heroes Welcome

Read all about it! bob http://www.nationaudio.com/News/DailyNation/Today/Sports/Sports17.html _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Share information about yourself, create your own

Re: t-and-f: Angry White Lesbians

And did these very same AWL's spare any of their wrath for Suzy, and her bad taste in roles, or was it just safer to pick on an easier target like Nike. Bob From: "malmo" Lets see, thirty wealthy, insulated, angry, white lesbians are now protesting and demanding an apology from Nike for the

t-and-f: Tergat to Run London Marathon???

I saw this on the web, and had never heard about it before. Anyone know for sure if he is running?? Bob http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010104/reu-marathon.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

t-and-f: Khannouchi Out Of London??

Read this this morning. Could'nt he recover in time for the Champs much later in the year? Bob http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010208/reu-khannouchi.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

Re: t-and-f: Police Beat - Michael Bennett

Bob Bettwy writes: See that, the kid runs 10.18 for 100m, makes the NCAA semi-final (fastest non-qualifier ever) and they only mention his football exploits :( probably best for t-and-f that his running career was'nt mentioned in this instance dont you think? Bob

t-and-f: World Best 10k

Does anyone have results for the Worlds Best 10k race held in Puerto Rico yesterday? Tergat was supposed to go up against Khannouchi and others. Bob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

t-and-f: Tergat Out Of World Cross!

Read all about it at: http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010226/reu-kenya1.html Bob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

t-and-f: And You Thought the Heats Were Slow!

Final Mens 1500 results: 1. Silva Rui POR3:51.06 2. Estévez Reyes ESP3:51.25 3. Ngeny Noah KEN 3:51.63 4. Rotich Laban KEN 3:51.71 _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at

Re: t-and-f: Follow the money was- Flat earth Creationism

Oleg, West African national teams may not do that great, again because of mismanagement, poor coaching and facilities and the lack of funds, but look at many European league teams and see how many players are from West and Southern Africa. And not just in Europe but in Mexico and South America

t-and-f: Kenyan Athletes Dilemma continues

http://sports.yahoo.com/m/sa/news/reuters/20010705/reu-kenya.html _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

t-and-f: Boilermaker Results anyone??

Looking for this mornings Boilermaker race results..if anyone can help me. Their website doesnt have them listed yet. Bob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com

t-and-f: CJ Hunter

EDMONTON, Canada, Aug 3 (Reuters) - World shot put champion C.J. Hunter begged officials to conceal four positive drugs tests last year in order not to upset his wife Marion Jones, International Association of Athletics Federation (IAAF) general secretary Istvan Gyulai said on Friday.

Re: t-and-f: druggie talk (was chinese women and yegorova)

Alan, Then using your logic someone like Lance Armstrong is almost certainly on dope, because after all, as Szabo said, you just can't beat a robotor a peletone full of them, unless you are one, right?? Or does it only apply to the Germans and the Chinese? Bob If you can look me

Re: t-and-f: Morceli, El Guerrouj and pacing in championship races

Alan, Great analysis! A little unfair to ElG to use the championship rabbit excuse as his winning strategy. After all in a rabbited race, anyone can use the services of the said rabbit. If all the runners know that ElG is the man to beat, and they use the rabbit as much as he does, I dont see

t-and-f: NCAA Pics

some nice pics from the race: http://greenvilleonline.com/news/sports/images/crosscountry/index.htm Bob _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp

Re: t-and-f: Takahashi trivia EMBARASSING!!

from a recent interview with paul tergat on his traing for chicago: The training has not been much different. I just run longer. Instead of going out for a morning run of 5K, 8K, 10K, now about every run is 20K. My training has been 200 to 205 kilometers a week. bob

Re: t-and-f: URL for USA Fall XC Champs

from their web site, list member MPlatt might find this somewhat interesting: USATF Masters National XC Championship Hosted USATF/Alabama Association Battleship Memorial Park at Mobile, AL - Saturday 12/01/01

Re: t-and-f: Track Movies (was Bruce Dern)

yes didnt see Endurance, the movie on Gebs life, on your list..how did that fare? Bob If anyone has other films, I'll be glad to look their ratings up. _ Join the world’s largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail.

t-and-f: Euro Cross Results

Results Athletics 46th Cross Internazionale Campaccio, Milan, January 5 2002 Men (Italy unless stated) Kenenisa Bekele (Ethiopia) 34:51; 2, Richard Limo (Kenya) 35:07; 3, S Lebed (Ukraine) 35:16; 4, P Muli (Kenya) 35:29; 5, M Gamba 35:32; 6, G Battocletti 35:54; 7, Charles Kamathi (Kenya)

Re: t-and-f: Jacobs Enters U.S. Cross Country Championships

any news about Adam Gouchers participation, or what his plans are for this year? Bob _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com

t-and-f: World Best 10k Results

San Juan, PR 2/17/2002 Men: 1 RAMAALA , HENDRICK PARKTOWN SA 3028:15 2 HOFF , SHADRACK PRETORIA SA 28 28:16 3 TERGAT , PAUL MARUBI KY 32 28:18 4 NYARIKI , THOMAS NAKURU KY 3028:23 5 YUDA , JOHN TANZANIA KY 22 28:23 6 MUCHIRI , GABRIEL W. CHESTER KY 23

t-and-f: Kenyan Team For World XC Champs

6-km junior women -- Frida Domongole, Vivian Cheruiyot, Viola Chelagat Kibiwott, Sharon Cherop, Penina Jepchumba, Chepchumba Koech. 8-km junior men -- Eliud Kipchoge, Michael Kipyego, Moses Mosop, Nicholas Kemboi, Abel Cheruiyot, Thomas Kiplitan.

t-and-f: US Mens 8k Full Results

Pl. Name Time 5k split 1 Broe, Tim24 ADID MI 22:2614:10 4:29 22 Browne, Dan 26 NIKE OR 22:2914:10 4:29 33 Famiglietti, Anthony 23 ADID TN 22:3014:09

t-and-f: Mo switches to adidas

Not sure if anyone had heard about this: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,4-295723,00.html _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com

Re: t-and-f: Zola Budd

Marty, for those of us who cant get our hands on it and are still interested, please fill us in, in a nutshell. thanks bob For anyone who cares about whatever happened to Zola Budd, check out latest issue of Sports Illustrated (Ted Williams

t-and-f: Castelbuono Results Anyone??

Hi, does anyone know where i can get full results of the 11.5k race held last week in Italy. Both Tergat and Khannouchi among others ran it, but I dont haveany officialresults. thanks bob Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: Click Here

Re: t-and-f: Peak age... Americans have it wrong?

From: Herb Finkelstein (in part) <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> . .(Or might a component of it for Kenyans be the "getting set for life financially, then retiring" phenomenon.) Why is this considered a phenomenon? Isnt that what people the world over aspire to do? If we stopped thinking of running

t-and-f: RESULTS---10K @ Van Damme

You could have made a decent race from the dnf's alone!! Bob 1 12 KIPKETER, Sammy KEN YB,PB 26:49.38 2 18 MEZEGEBU, Assefa ETH PB 26:49.90 3 11 LIMO, Richard KEN PB 26:50.20 4 20 CHEPKIRUI, Albert KEN PB 26:50.67 5 26 KORIR, John Cheruiyot KEN PB 26:52.87 6 22 IVUTI, Patrick KEN PB 27:05.88 7 21

t-and-f: Is This Really Possible??

From the IAAF webpage on the Berlin marathon: ...(Raymond) Kipkoech, who only got into today's race a week ago, comes from the village of Kapsait, situated at 3000 metres altitude near the Ugandan border, and only began running two years ago, "when I saw my friends Simon Biwott, Eric Kimaiyo,

RE: t-and-f: El Guerrouj

There are certainly enough discrepancies in the ages of African runners (both for legit reasons as well as, Im sure, for not-so-legit reasons). But the fact still remains that a "real" African teenager can beat any American teen out there, and more importantly, a 24 yr oldAfrican basically owns

Re: t-and-f: Int'l Runners at U.S. Schools

fascinating list Walt, noticed this name...any relation to the Great One...didnt he go to the same college? Riverside C.C. Farid Morceli Algeria JUCO 04 bob Help STOP SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*

Re: t-and-f: Columbia, MO Tribune Ben Plucknett Story

It also perpetuates the Idea that Plucknett was a World Record holder. Was'nt he? Im not too familiar with discus WR's bob _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE*

Re: t-and-f: FW: April Fool's day at USATF Convention

Is he related to Alf? related? He ISAlf dressed up in a Harlem Globetrotters outfit! bobMSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*.

t-and-f: GEBS at it Again!

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Re: t-and-f: Results Greater Boston Meet

Whats this Tom, can't run a mile any more?? lol bob Men's 1 Mile Run SENIORS Finals Results - Sunday 01/19/03 PLACE ATHLETE NAME TEAM TIME = = === 1 Colin "doc" McArdle! bsp; Greater Boston Track Club 4:59.57 - Tom Derderian

t-and-f: SAN BLAS Half Results

2003 San Blas Half-Marathon Top Results POSITION ATHLETE NAME COUNTRY TIME 1 PHILIP RUGUT KENIA 01:04:19.29 2 JAMES KWAMBAI KENYA 01:04:56.07 3 KHALID KANNOUCHI NY 01:05:06.04 4 BENJAMIN KIMUTAI KENYA 01:05:38.30 5 SAMMY KORER KENYA 01:05:40.35 6 SILVIO GUERRA ECUADOR 01:06:13.64 7

t-and-f: Gebs Record Still Safe

Lieven 2M Results: Ptn Competitor Nation Born Result 1 Hicham El Guerrouj MAR 1974 8:06,61 2 Laban Rotich KEN 1969 8:28,25 3 Driss Maazouzi FRA 1969 8:28,26 4 Mohammed Amyn MAR 1977 8:28,28 5 Khoudir Aggoune ALG 8:29,75 6 Kevin

Re: t-and-f: Radcliffe Record

Worlds Best 10K Puerto Rico2/23/03 Place Name City State Age Bib Sex Pace Time 1 RAMAALA , HENDRICK N/A N/A 31 1 M 4:33 28:16 2 MAIYO , LINUS ROYERSFORD PA 19 17 M 4:33 28:16 3 CHERUIYOT , ROBERT ITALY N/A 24 11 M 4:34 28:23 4 KARANJA , DAVID BARROWSTAR N/A

Re: t-and-f: USATF Release: Track on TV continues in March

Now would it be asking a little too much to have them show the World Cross Country Championships from Switzerland too?? Not that Im greedy or anything... BK The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE*

t-and-f: Balco Investigation

Agent's report disputed in Balco case BONDS, TRACK STAR JONES ALLEGEDLY RECEIVED STEROIDSBy Elliott Almond and Pete CareyMercury News A report that is said to name more than 20 athletes, including Giants star Barry Bonds, as receiving steroids from Burlingame's Balco Laboratories has set the stage

RE: t-and-f: Jones Accusation

The list IS dead and has been dead for well over a year. I watched the interview on 20/20 and read the ESPN mag article and see no reason not to believe Conte. Marion was using drugs and was being monitored both by Conte and by CJ Hunter. Who knows what they were telling her about what and when to

RE: t-and-f: Kenya's Kipchirchir Komen wins 1,500

Kenya's Kipchirchir Komen wins 1,500 Any relation to Daniel Komen?

Re: t-and-f: Coaching changes to blame for Kenya's slide - Tergat

Disagree Dan. XC is a team sport. Think about your local HS XC team doing its own thing with diff coaches. How succesful would they be, even if they were all decent runners? When do they discuss tactics? How do they know whos strongest at any given time? Tergat has a real point. Only he's

Re: t-and-f: Coaching changes to blame for Kenya's slide - Tergat

Suit yourself Dan, Im sticking to my belief that XC is a team sport and should be run as one. Im amazed that you think diffferently. Should HS and college XC runners also do their own thing and just get together on meet day? No matter how good the individuals are you can always do better with

t-and-f: NCAA ON mensracing.com

Hi folks, heres an email from Ricky Quintana that he wanted forwarded to the group, about coverage of the XC Championships: Scott Bush, James Travieso, Emily Pankow and myself, Ricky Quintana, will be covering the NCAA Championship from Terre Haute , Indiana. A live call of the race

t-and-f: FW: NCAA Champs pre race conference

From: Ricky Quintana [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: NCAA Champs pre race conference Date: Sun, 20 Nov 2005 20:36:32 + Some quotes I thought might be interesting to the group. McDonnell and all the coaches thought that the conditions were conducive to a fast race

RE: t-and-f: Where did the list go?

this thread so far explains perfectly why the list is dying..apparently theres nothing worth debating, so it starts to look like one long Seinfeld episode. bk From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: malmo [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],

RE: t-and-f: Kenyan Dominance

Any coincidence that the numbers of Qatari steeplers are up?? bk From: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Roger Ruth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu CC: Dan Kaplan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: t-and-f: Kenyan Dominance Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:55:43 -0800 Earlier

Re: t-and-f: Henry Rono

Rono posts regularly here: http://www.letsrun.com/forum/flat_read.php?board=1id=1828663thread=1444899 Any predictions for his 5k time at Carlsbad? bob From: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Bob Duncan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Track List' t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: Re: t-and-f:

Re: t-and-f: Henry Rono

Date: Fri, 30 Mar 2007 05:03:46 -0400 High 17s. B. Kunnath wrote: Any predictions for his 5k time at Carlsbad? _ Live Search Maps – find all the local information you need, right when you need it. http://maps.live.com/?icid

RE: t-and-f: Paris Golden League Men's Steeple

not fair..tell us what happened!!! bk From: Charles Wandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Charles Wandler [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Listproc: UORE_TF t-and-f@lists.uoregon.edu Subject: t-and-f: Paris Golden League Men's Steeple Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 16:10:31 -0700 (PDT) After watching the