[Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Features such as parks may cover a large area, and if the park is drawn as a polygon, routing software will likely choose the centroid. The nearest point on public roads to the centroid may however not be the actual entrance to the park. For example, go to http://www.yournavigation.org/ and get

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Harvey
For buildings there is http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dentrance I suppose you could invent park=entrance, but perhaps there is reason for a general entrance=yes tag to use on the nodes on the way which are entances to that area. Just a thought. On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 8:41 PM,

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Ulf Lamping
Am 18.11.2010 10:41, schrieb Nathan Edgars II: Features such as parks may cover a large area, and if the park is drawn as a polygon, routing software will likely choose the centroid. The nearest point on public roads to the centroid may however not be the actual entrance to the park. For

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
Beside what Andrew and André mentioned in their replies feel free to add the ways across the park in detail. If there are only a few (or only one) entrance, map the ways and navigation software could be enabled to route better to the target. If there is a wall or fence around, map it; tag it as

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: Beside what Andrew and André mentioned in their replies feel free to add the ways across the park in detail. If there are only a few (or only one) entrance, map the ways and navigation software could be enabled to

Re: [Tagging] geology taggin?

2010-11-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/17 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com: Am 17.11.2010 21:43, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer: It is accepting that semantically different things can reside under the same key and that this doesn't cause any problems - except for people like you that seem to think that a systematic

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Peter Wendorff
While it's proposed only for buildings, it could be used for other entrances as well IMHO: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance But the google picture I would interpret as a gate with access=private. Barriers on nodes are AFAIK difficult for much routers yet, but at

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:40 AM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: While it's proposed only for buildings, it could be used for other entrances as well IMHO: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance But the google picture I would interpret as a gate with

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/18 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de: If there is a wall or fence around, map it; tag it as barrier=wall|fence|... and add barrier=entrance, where the entrance is. yes, but tag barrier=entrance only in the case that there is an opening/hole and tag barrier=gate if there is a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/18 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 5:29 AM, Peter Wendorff This is where the router directs you: http://maps.google.com/maps?ll=28.727531,-81.497805spn=0.015768,0.041199t=kz=16layer=ccbll=28.728191,-81.498677panoid=XVFVRhSRUHwkpCGnyLyWZAcbp=12,85.2,,0,-1.42

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 6:47 AM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/11/18 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: If there is no (public) entrance here, tag it as access and a good router should respect that. That however doesn't help in a case where a public road cuts

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Mike N.
I don't know if it's legal to park here and walk around the gate into the park, but assume for the sake of argument that it is. How do we tell the router to instead use the main entrance to the south? In this case, the way in the photo can be properly tagged as a service/driveway and /or

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread Mike N.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/entrance That however doesn't help in a case where a public road cuts through the park. How do we indicate that a specific entrance road is the correct one to use to enter the park by car if you want to spend time walking in the park?

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a (main) entrance to a large feature?

2010-11-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/18 Mike N. nice...@att.net:  Better than than barrier=entrance,   I think entrance= is a better tag: for a park, this would be main or visitor, although some parks have multiple visitor entrances. to be sure you might tag both. I agree that barrier=entrance for holes/openings is

Re: [Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-18 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 11/18/2010 04:32 AM, j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: So, you would be using multiple surface tags on the same area? No, I'd tag the whole beach as landuse=beach, the sandy areas as surface=sand and the grass parts as surface=grass. ___ Tagging mailing

[Tagging] Delete a relation?

2010-11-18 Thread Dave F.
Hi I'm using Potlatch 1. Is there a way to delete a relation that's been added to numerous ways in one go? Or do I have to remove them one by one still leave the relation in existence? Cheers Dave F. ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-18 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/11/18 Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de: Did I say anything about single grass blades? On a beach you can have square kilometers of different surfaces, sand, pebbles, grass which are well big enough to tag. I thought about something like this when you wrote about grass in the sand:

Re: [Tagging] FW :Re: RFC: new key Landcover

2010-11-18 Thread john
From my personal experience, beach grass usually grows in the somewhat-scattered manner shown in these photos, not as densely as grass growing on regular soil. That is why I suggested documenting both the sand (surface tag) and also the vegetation growing on the sand (landcover tag).

Re: [Tagging] Delete a relation?

2010-11-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Nov 18, 2010 at 3:15 PM, Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote: Hi I'm using Potlatch 1. Is there a way to delete a relation that's been added to numerous ways in one go? Nope, not in Potlatch. It's trivial in JOSM though - load the relation (ctrl-shift-O) and delete it in the

[Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Errington
Hi all, I wish to tag an island with its name. Except that the name refers to a group of islands, and each of these islands have their own name. Here it is, Dokdo off the east coast of South Korea. I'd rather not let this thread stray into political territory, so let's concern ourselves with a

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-18 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Probably use a multipolygon with place=island. For example, if I were mapping a swamp with a single name but multiple pieces, I'd use a multipolygon for the whole thing. If a sub-area of that swamp had a name (like a bay in a lake) it would be in addition to the swamp name.

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Errington
On Fri, November 19, 2010 16:02, Nathan Edgars II wrote: Probably use a multipolygon with place=island. For example, if I were mapping a swamp with a single name but multiple pieces, I'd use a multipolygon for the whole thing. If a sub-area of that swamp had a name (like a bay in a lake) it

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
The problem with that is that a multipolygon relation is for a single entity that may be broken down into several pieces. A group of islands (or an archipelago) is not a single island broken down into several land pieces. It is just that: a group of islands. So we need a different way of tagging

Re: [Tagging] Groups of islands, how to tag?

2010-11-18 Thread Andrew Harvey
What about place=archipelago (or place=islands) used with either the multipolygon or the http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Collected_Ways_Simple On Fri, Nov 19, 2010 at 6:23 PM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: The problem with that is that a multipolygon relation