[Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
How do you tag single (historic) burial places? I am currently looking for a tagging scheme to structure these kind of places, but am unsure about the wording. My suggestions would be * historic=grave or * historic=tomb for the main tag. Subtags would then be grave=pyramid grave=mausoleum

[Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
To tag obelisks I suggest man_made=obelisk an alternative could be historic=obelisk but some obelisks are actually not old, so historic might not yet be an appropriate tag for them. In combination with historic:civilization and historic:period they could still be clearly distinguished.

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread Chris Hill
On 01/02/11 11:48, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: How do you tag single (historic) burial places? I am currently looking for a tagging scheme to structure these kind of places, but am unsure about the wording. My suggestions would be * historic=grave or * historic=tomb for the main tag. Subtags

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: What do you say about the wording? Would tomb or grave be suited better? A grave tends to be a hole dug in the ground to bury one or more bodies, a tomb is more of a structure, so they are not mutually exclusive. I would group pyramid, mausoleum,

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:48 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: grave=pyramid grave=mausoleum grave=tumulus grave=dolmen My (admittedly shallow) understanding was that there was some debate about whether all tumuluses and dolmens were in fact tombs. This is an instance

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: To tag obelisks I suggest man_made=obelisk an alternative could be historic=obelisk Definitely historic=obelisk, I think. It doesn't really matter if it's *old*, it's still *historical*. (But also consider

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread Craig Wallace
On 01/02/2011 12:11, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: To tag obelisks I suggest man_made=obelisk an alternative could be historic=obelisk but some obelisks are actually not old, so historic might not yet be an appropriate tag for them. In combination with historic:civilization and historic:period

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 10:48 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer My (admittedly shallow) understanding was that there was some debate about whether all tumuluses and dolmens were in fact tombs. This is an instance where I think a flatter structure might be

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: As that Wikipedia article says, its just a particular style/shape of monument or memorial. So I think it would be best tagged as historic=monument or historic=memorial, plus a subtag for obelisk. Maybe something like

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Wed, Feb 2, 2011 at 12:17 AM, Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm wrote: Oh...and I just discovered obelisk is already mentioned here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:landmark Taginfo has a grand total of 5 landmark=obelisk Yes, I saw

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm: As that Wikipedia article says, its just a particular style/shape of monument or memorial. So I think it would be best tagged as historic=monument or historic=memorial, plus a subtag for obelisk. Maybe something like monument:style=obelisk ? This

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread Chris Hill
On 01/02/11 12:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/1 Chris Hillo...@raggedred.net: What do you say about the wording? Would tomb or grave be suited better? A grave tends to be a hole dug in the ground to bury one or more bodies, a tomb is more of a structure, so they are not mutually

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:11 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: To tag obelisks I suggest man_made=obelisk an alternative could be historic=obelisk Definitely historic=obelisk, I think. It doesn't really matter if it's *old*,

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread Craig Wallace
On 01/02/2011 13:35, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/1 Craig Wallacecraig...@fastmail.fm: As that Wikipedia article says, its just a particular style/shape of monument or memorial. So I think it would be best tagged as historic=monument or historic=memorial, plus a subtag for obelisk. Maybe

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging - graves, tombs

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net: On 01/02/11 12:57, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2011/2/1 Chris Hillo...@raggedred.net: Many tumuli do have multiple graves in them. Sometimes these are small stone-lined burials known as cists (kists) sometimes simply a pot containing cremated remains

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Craig Wallace craig...@fastmail.fm: their primary purpose. That purpose is to provide a place of worship. I think a tower can be a monument (and tagged as such), if that is why it was built I think both monument and memorial are (usually) for structures in memory of something.

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] capitals; normalizing true, yes and 1

2011-02-01 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/1 Lennard l...@xs4all.nl: Fortunately, for capital, we only use yes and not the other 2 variants in the main mapnik map. It's not logical to add these at this point. We already have to normalise true and 1 to yes for bridges and tunnels, and if those variants would disappear from the

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 14:58:44 +0100 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Definitely historic=obelisk, I think. It doesn't really matter if it's *old*, it's still *historical*. not all of them. A Las Vegas Obelisk is hardly to be called historical. historical=fake :D

Re: [Tagging] historic tagging, obelisks

2011-02-01 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Tue, 1 Feb 2011 15:39:22 +0100 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: think about the Eiffel tower in Paris. It is (IMHO) clearly a monument, but it was originally built as a temporal structure for the world fair. I won't be a monument according to the definition given above. I

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-dev] capitals; normalizing true, yes and 1

2011-02-01 Thread Daniel Sabo
I would prefer we normalize in the actual database instead of coming up with a ton of transformations needed to convert the data to something meaningful. Bots tend to have unintended consequences though, so if you want to do it yourself I would just use XAPI to pull the data in to JOSM and