On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 11:02 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
Correct - this needs some simplification just like allowing
junction=roundabout on a node for small roundabouts. But I would
really like to update the page before we talk about this, because
otherwise the update won't
2012/5/15 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com:
The longer I think about it, the more I'm asking myself: do we really
need a tag for this? If someone doesn't want to map it as loop, why
not simply end the road without any additional tag? What information
are we missing then, that we are not missing if we
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 1:06 PM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
Why don't we keep it simple and just use highway=turning_circle and
turning_circle=island, since it's more akin to a turning_circle than a
roundabout, and I doubt any data consumers other than rendering
currently do anything
2012/5/15 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Imho, if you want to indicate a turning-circle island, it's
micro-mapping : you should better draw the loop geometry instead of
creating a tag for the geometry (in the same way we don't tag
roundabout flares, we draw separate carriageways if we want).
2012/5/15 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2012/5/15 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Imho, if you want to indicate a turning-circle island, it's
micro-mapping : you should better draw the loop geometry instead of
creating a tag for the geometry (in the same way we don't tag
roundabout
2012/5/15 Pieren pier...@gmail.com:
Btw, current wiki description is funny : place to turn around .. but
it is not a turning circle.
Well, that's why it is in the Danger of confusion section ;-)
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* Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com [2012-05-15 14:11 +0200]:
Now the only issue remaining is: how? Right now I see two solutions:
1) highway=turning_circle and turning_circle=island or traffic_calming=island
2) new tag like e.g. highway=turning_loop
[snip]
I would really like to get more
Are there any alternatives to
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Kein_kreisel_IMGP9185_osm.jpg
?
Maybe I'm alone in this, but the three arrows are very confusing. I
had to stare at the large image for quite a while before I was able to
figure them out.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 5:56 AM,
If not, maybe we could add a sentence such as Unlike at a roundabout,
it is legal to drive to the right or to the left of the obstruction.
Also, is it acceptable to simply map the feature as a circular way,
rather than use traffic_calming=island?
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:53 AM, Anthony
2012/5/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Also, is it acceptable to simply map the feature as a circular way,
rather than use traffic_calming=island?
I don't think so. Because the street is not a circular way, but
instead there is an island in the middle of the street. At least this
is my
I added highway=turning_loop to the last example and noted, that it is
under discussion right now.
It would really help a lot if the major renderers would support this,
as well as junction=roundabout on a single node. Otherwise I'm afraid
the acceptance would be rather low.
Thanks!
Martin
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
Also, is it acceptable to simply map the feature as a circular way,
rather than use traffic_calming=island?
I don't think so. Because the street is not a circular way, but
instead
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:39 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:15 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
I don't think so. Because the street is not a circular way, but
instead there is an island in the middle of the street. At least this
is my interpretation.
2012/5/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
However, in OSM terminology, there is no distinction between
roundabouts and traffic circles, right?
Yes and no ;-)
... in a roundabout
entering traffic must always yield to traffic already in the circle
That's junction=roundabout or highway=mini_roundabout
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/15 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
... in a roundabout
entering traffic must always yield to traffic already in the circle
That's junction=roundabout or highway=mini_roundabout - right-of-way
whereas in a traffic
On 15/05/2012 16:30, Anthony wrote:
Okay, so, for OSM terminology, a roundabout means 1) traffic goes in
one direction; 2) entering traffic must yield; and 3) entering traffic
need not stop (no stop signs).
I hope not...OSM currently has no way of reflecting priority at
junctions. Introducing
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
I added highway=turning_loop to the last example and noted, that it is
under discussion right now.
I've changed all my junction=roundabout + note=turning_loop to be
highway=turning_loop now.
It would really help a lot
Should also be valid for a closed way like the junction= key so detail
wouldn't have to be removed in situations where such an island was mapped
as a roundabout.
On May 15, 2012 5:58 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
If not, maybe we could add a sentence such as Unlike at a roundabout,
it is
2012/5/15 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl
On 15/05/2012 16:30, Anthony wrote:
I hope not...OSM currently has no way of reflecting priority at junctions.
Introducing this distinction just for circular junctions is a bit
pointless.
Well there IS highway=give_way. Not that I tagged it so
On 14/05/12 12:36, Martin Vonwald wrote:
The reworked article about junction=roundabout is now more or less
finished, so please comment on the whole article:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Imagic/Werkstatt
Still open, so please provide feedback:
* Decision if
On 5/15/2012 10:30 AM, Anthony wrote:
Okay, so, for OSM terminology, a roundabout means 1) traffic goes in
one direction; 2) entering traffic must yield; and 3) entering traffic
need not stop (no stop signs).
Nope. Junction=roundabout applies to all (one-way) traffic circles, no
matter what
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
2) entering traffic must yield; and
Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the
roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De
Triomphe the most famous 'old style'.
Phil
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:13 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On Tue, 2012-05-15 at 10:30 -0400, Anthony wrote:
2) entering traffic must yield; and
Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the
roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:13 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
2) entering traffic must yield; and
Not always. In France there are still a few where traffic on the
roundabout gives way to traffic joining the roundabout. Isn't the Arc De
Triomphe the most famous 'old style'.
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 11:25 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
It would be nice if these rond-points would be explicitly tagged (e.g.
junction=rond_point???) so mkgmap can still easily be taught to recognise it
and treat it as a roundabout even if it doesn't comply with the OSM
Is anyone familiar with the regulations governing the U.S. inland
waterways (such as the Mississippi River and the Intracoastal Waterway)?
From my brief look, it seems to be less these barge configurations are
allowed and more you can go anywhere but don't crash. Is this
correct, or are there
On 5/16/2012 1:06 AM, Jeffrey Ollie wrote:
In either case, any idea what the suitable tags might look
like (other than the generic boat=yes ship=yes)?
I guess that depends on what you're trying to do... If you are trying
to tag the largest possible vessel that can navigate a waterway (under
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