Hi,
Am 18.05.2012 07:30, schrieb Alan Mintz:
The idea, taken in a vacuum without knowledge of personalities, seems correct.
There are many more examples, like highway=* things that are not highways. I
don't think we need a page for it, but it should be somewhere in beginners
documentation that
Hi Tobias,
Sorry to start this again, but yesterday evening was a little difficult. ;-)
I reread the description and tagging of the example. If I understood
you correct - please correct me if not - you are confused because
about this: A ROUND place with a traversable ISLAND. So round and
island
You understand me correctly. Or maybe a text something similar to this:
This picture shows a round place with a traversable island in the
middle, but this is
neither a mini-roundabout nor a roundabout, but instead a turning
circle, which allows large vehicles to turn around. Not saying that
all
2012/5/18 Tobias Johansson t...@mensa.se:
You understand me correctly. Or maybe a text something similar to this:
This picture shows a round place with a traversable island in the
middle, but this is
neither a mini-roundabout nor a roundabout, but instead a turning
circle, which allows large
Andrew Errington wrote:
It's easy to edit the wiki. It's easy for Potlatch and JOSM
developers to edit the software to do the Right Thing.
How do we make this happen?
I like your it's easy statement, and look forward to you publishing
details of where one can get the 40-hour day which will
2012/5/17 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
Edit wars are what happens when someone ignores objections that have been
raised and decides to arbitrarily define the existing tagging in the
database as wrong.
There will always be errors in the database, but if we redefine
features every time
At the risk that we are going in circles on this argument.
Let us try to figure out what the needs are.
What we have (in theory) at present is
-
a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central
island. At present a roundabout needs to be drawn as a circular way, not
On Fri, 18 May 2012 18:06:54 Richard Fairhurst wrote:
Andrew Errington wrote:
It's easy to edit the wiki. It's easy for Potlatch and JOSM
developers to edit the software to do the Right Thing.
How do we make this happen?
I like your it's easy statement, and look forward to you publishing
2012/5/18 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com:
If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the
following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than
me:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217
On Fri, 18 May 2012 16:38:09 Martin Vonwald wrote:
Do you have any suggestion how to change the presets for
mini-roundabouts? The term mini-roundabout is very misleading so we
need some very good, crystal clear and short description for it. Any
idea is very welcomed!
I think the term
http://vimeo.com/14776099
A video from SOTM 2010 regarding this (sort of). And I think he makes
a lot of good points. But maybe OSM don't need/isn't ready for
something like this yet. I think that we need to get the licens stuff
done first and then have a little bit of a cool down period before
On 2012-05-18 at 11:32:32 +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote:
So, if we look at it from the routing point of view it looks to me that we
do not need to distinguish between a mini-roundabout and a small
roundabout, but what we seem to need is a way to indicate the size of the
roundabout in order to
Actually it would become very relevant: a router for large veicles
would know that it can use large roundabouts and mini-roundabouts,
but not roundabouts tagged as small.
--
Elena ``of Valhalla''
You have a point there.
So the conclusion needs to be that we need all three categories.
That
2012/5/18 Andrew Errington erringt...@gmail.com:
given to a very specific thing in the UK. What we need is clarification in
the Wiki and maybe language-specific or country specific terms. For example,
a list of countries where mini-roundabouts never appear
you can never be sure. They now
What I am arriving at is that we need a new node “roundabout” with a
mandatory size parameter of some kind. The distinction between the present
“mini_roundabout” and a small roundabout would no longer be relevant.
Actually it would become very relevant: a router for large veicles
would know
Hi,
I have started a project with a school to map some objects in our
city (for example, house numbers). There is a way to standardize this
process, at least for some objects?
I'm a newbie and I ask every time how to tag a new type of objects...
and if I look at other similar objects, I
Andrew Errington wrote:
[P2 patches]
Assuming it is a desirable thing, how do we make it happen?
You'll have to excuse this for being a glib answer but - essentially,
someone needs to write the code.
The ideal situation is if you, or someone else who wants to see the feature,
are sufficiently
2012/5/18 Stefano Fraccaro stefano.fracc...@libero.it:
add tag addr:housenumber
usually (?) we also add the tag addr:street as this might not always
be obvious. (Many mappers add the full set of address-tags to every
address). If you use presets with autocompletion (and preselected
values) or
On 18/05/2012 10:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
*
a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central
island. At present a roundabout needs to be drawn as a circular
way, not as a node.
Actually (and this has been inaccurate in the wiki from the year dot), a
And preferbly the nodes with addresses should correspond to an
entrence of the building. Some reasons for this, I add a .pdf with
some:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Housenumbers.pdf
Best Regards Thod
2012/5/18 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com:
2012/5/18 Stefano Fraccaro
Hi,
there are some arguments in the pdf, which aren't any problem anymore.
There are algorithms, which copy information from a closed way to a
specific node of this closed way (eg. in mkgmap).
The advantage of this is, that the router can select the entrance-node,
which is best for his
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 10:55 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote:
On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 9:23 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
I added highway=turning_loop to the last example and noted, that it is
under discussion right now.
I've changed all my junction=roundabout +
Correct, Steve.
We should replace island with island or obstacle or something to that
effect.
Volker
On 18 May 2012 13:00, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:
On 18/05/2012 10:32, Volker Schmidt wrote:
-
a roundabout is a road layout where traffic goes around a central
Josh Doe wrote:
I better not get on my soapbox about how we need the
OSM.org stylesheet to be located on GitHub, and to use
Carto so people can use TileMill for designing.
I don't think anyone disagrees with you. It's just that soapboxes don't in
themselves produce code. Why not start a
2012/5/18 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com:
I've created a wiki page for highway=turning_loop:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dturning_loop
Thanks for that. Do you think it would be a good idea to put the
section Possible misinterpretations also into this article? If so, I
would move
On 18/05/2012 13:45, Volker Schmidt wrote:
We should replace island with island or obstacle or something to
that effect.
I've changed it to 'an island or a void'.
--
Steve
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Ahm - you completely screwed the article :-S
2012/5/18 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com:
On 18/05/2012 13:45, Volker Schmidt wrote:
We should replace island with island or obstacle or something to that
effect.
I've changed it to 'an island or a void'.
Thanks. I guess I edited an old version or something? Sorry about that.
On 18/05/2012 14:23, Martin Vonwald wrote:
I reverted to the previous version and added a note about void in case
of elevated roads.
2012/5/18 Martin Vonwaldimagic@gmail.com:
Ahm - you completely screwed the article
2012/5/18 Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com:
Thanks. I guess I edited an old version or something? Sorry about that.
Intentions were good. Mistakes happens. No problem :-)
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Tobias Johansson wrote:
And preferbly the nodes with addresses should correspond to an
entrence of the building. Some reasons for this, I add a .pdf with
some:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Housenumbers.pdf
May I ask you to avoid quoting that PDF? It only presents Lulu-Ann's
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to
enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is
such a technicality. And I'm not sure what value is added by inventing
another tag
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 6:21 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote:
junction=roundabout should not care about right-of-way. Trying to
enforce this in the map is going to be impossible anyway because it is
such a technicality.
The distinction in the UK is between a roundabout and a gyratory.
Roundabouts can have signals, but they tend to be linked so that it flows,
and if you're going straight ahead, you won't normally stop once you're on
the roundabout. Roundabouts don't generally have buildings in the middle,
or
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/18948794 (Persiaran Sultan
Salahuddin Abdul Aziz Shah, Putrajaya)
This is being referred to by some as the world's largest roundabout.
Does it qualify, in terms of osm tags?
Seems to be more of a roundabout than many of those New Jersey traffic
circles.
On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 9:12 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
2012/5/18 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com:
I've created a wiki page for highway=turning_loop:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dturning_loop
Thanks for that. Do you think it would be a good idea to put the
Are we talking about
this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
If would think this is a Magic Roundabout.
Practical and useful tagging of such creations is some kind of art, IMO.
Martin
Am
I see your point concerning you don't have to do it that way. But I
don't really se any reason for not doing it that way? And if it makes
it simpler?
But I have no big objection for what you say. I myself have mapped a
lot of houses the way you stated before I saw some other presentation
Lulu-Ann
2012/5/18 Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com:
Are we talking about
this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
If would think this is a Magic Roundabout.
Thats.. Cool :D sort of two roundabouts
Am 18.05.2012 um 16:11 schrieb Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com:
While the Possible misinterpretations section is great, I think most
people will find it to be too long and won't read it. I think it might
belong on a separate page rather than on one tag page or on all (via a
template).
I would
I just thought I would show a special roundabout from my neighborhood
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/8110827
Before anyone says this isn't a roundabout check out the sign
On Fri, 18 May 2012, Tobias Johansson wrote:
I see your point concerning you don't have to do it that way. But I
don't really se any reason for not doing it that way? And if it makes
it simpler?
But I have no big objection for what you say. I myself have mapped a
lot of houses the way you
Yes most corner houses in sweden have two addresses. Have myself seen
one with three. And to repeat myself hadn't thought about that :)
Best Regards Thod
2012/5/18 Ilpo Järvinen ilpo.jarvi...@helsinki.fi:
On Fri, 18 May 2012, Tobias Johansson wrote:
I see your point concerning you don't have
Hi,
I'd like to tag a service centre at a university. They call themself the
Centre for Information and Media Services (Zentrum für Informations-
und Mediendienste in German) and provide all kind of services, like
maintenance of computer infrastructure, data processing, software
On 18/05/2012 17:31, Martin Vonwald (Imagic) wrote:
Am 18.05.2012 um 16:32 schrieb Tobias Johanssont...@mensa.se:
Are we talking about
this?http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-Uvl-p3eVBeM/Tr8xUuhRYbI/Iho/NJZGrhCH6yk/s400/53242_1431458077448_1562786087_30891073_4275686_o.jpg
If would think this
On 5/18/2012 9:15 AM, Anthony wrote:
2012/5/18 Nathan Edgars IInerou...@gmail.com:
If anyone doubts that existing tagging does not match the wiki, see the
following examples, all tagged as junction=roundabout by editors other than
me:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/5677217
... and if you identify an entrance it's a good idea to tag is as such:
I've understood that entrance=yes is preferred over building=entrance (as
that can be used for entrances to parks, parking lots, lots in general etc
entrances that are not entrances to buildings. Right/wrong?
-Jaakko
On Fri,
2012/5/18 Anthony o...@inbox.org:
The key word there, I think, is *intersections*. A roundabout should
be an intersection, not a bunch of separate intersections. If you're
going to expand it to the point where you have traffic lights or stop
signs for people who are already in the
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