Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Vonwald
Thanks for the update of the wiki. I added one of my photos. Best regards, Martin 2013/2/26 Alberto albertoferra...@fastwebnet.it: To Martin Vonwald. I've added field_shelter here [1]. Can you upload a picture for it? I haven't one and I don't want to upload a copyrighted picture. [1]

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/26 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: Hi, I made a wikidata tag proposal, here is the link: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata I think connecting our data with wikidatas data would give us a big potential. It's as easy as giving our entities a wikidata=Qxxx

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Wikidata I like the idea to use URIs for operators, Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?! Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ? Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Jo
I added a wikidata tag to our main church: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/15183730 What is the (intended) effect? Will it be possible to visualise it somewhere? Jo 2013/2/26 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com Hi, I made a wikidata tag proposal, here is the link:

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/2/27 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com It's worth menitioning that Wikidata is still very new. How stable are the IDs? Any policies around them? Steve Wikidata is pretty new, but it is already deployed on Hungarian, Hebrew, Italian, and English Wikipedias. Deployed means that

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Steve Bennett
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 10:07 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?! Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ? In addition to, not instead of. operator:wikidata=* is computable. Martin wrote: What is the relation

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com What is the relation between wikidata and wikipedia? Couldn't one get the wikidata-reference code by looking up the wikipedia article name? In this case it would be an unnecessary duplication of information to also have a wikidata tag.

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?! Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ? Real contributors can continue to write operator tags. I'm always for making it easier for the mapper. But why not help developers once

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com: Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?! Besides that McD is not the operator, this would be an additional way to eliminate ambiguity in some cases, of course you could still be mapping operator=* and it will be sufficient in many

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/27 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com What is the relation between wikidata and wikipedia? Couldn't one get the wikidata-reference code by looking up the wikipedia article name? In this case it would be an unnecessary duplication of

Re: [Tagging] [OSM-talk] Proposition for a classification of path

2013-02-27 Thread Steve Bennett
Hi Balaitous, I think trying to classify paths using a type or grade is the wrong approach. The problem you're trying to solve is a real one: trying to distinguish important trails from less important ones. So why not just use that terminology: importance=5 (most important trails, probably a GR

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/2/27 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: Right now we have 886 McDonald's, 53 McDonalds and 9 McDonald's␣Deutschland␣Inc. I'm not going to mass change them to what I think they should be, because they all could have their reasons to give them that operator name. But Wikidata ID should be

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 27.02.2013 12:28, schrieb Janko Mihelic': 2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com mailto:pier...@gmail.com Tag operator:wikidata=Q38076 much better than operator=McDonalds ?! Are you all so disconnected from real contributors ? Real contributors can continue to write operator

Re: [Tagging] Tagging proposition for a classification of a path, Vol 41, Issue 46 message 1

2013-02-27 Thread St Niklaas
Balaitous wrote 1. Re: Proposition for a classification of path (Balaitous) Also, the proposed path types would classify any path that ends in a cul-de-sac as the least-used and least-maintained category, which isn't necessarily the case. When I say cul-de-sac I refer to paths that go

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
I'm honestly appalled by some of the criticism here. I think this is a great proposal and will be very useful once both sides are solid, with WikiData hosting more and more information and OSM linking lots of objects to a WikiData node. As to the McDonalds/McDonalds Deutschland issue, think of a

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
On 27/02/13 11:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2013/2/27 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com: 2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com What is the relation between wikidata and wikipedia? Couldn't one get the wikidata-reference code by looking up the wikipedia article name? In this

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: If you keep the original operator, then I don't see the point. Either the tags operator and operator:wikidata are different and you have a real problem. Or the tags have the same values/meaning and it is just

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Svavar Kjarrval
On 27/02/13 12:00, Simone Saviolo wrote: I'm honestly appalled by some of the criticism here. I think this is a great proposal and will be very useful once both sides are solid, with WikiData hosting more and more information and OSM linking lots of objects to a WikiData node. For the record,

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Still, why wikidata if you can use wikipedia? Imagine a data consumer that wants to list all McDonalds in the World. If he would try to go by wikipedia tag, he should search for de:McDonald's, en:McDonalds, hak:Ma̍k-tông-lò Kûng-sṳ̂,

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: About McDonalds or McDonald's, define the standard value, call XAPI/overpass or keepright/osmose to find them and fix the wrong values with JOSM. It takes 2 minutes and the

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Wendorff
Am 27.02.2013 13:01, schrieb Pieren: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 12:49 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: If you keep the original operator, then I don't see the point. Either the tags operator and operator:wikidata are different and you have a real problem. Or the tags have the

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Clifford Snow
Adding Q38076 would probably introduce more errors, however if our editors pulled the data from wikidata to give human readable names to pick from then our data would become more accurate. Clifford On Feb 27, 2013 5:07 AM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 11:56 AM, Martin

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:22 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: First, how are you going to force a korean to put operator=McDonald's if he calls it operator=맥도날드. He is not going to like it. Second, what if there is a McDonald's in Malawi that has the same name as the big American

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com In my turn for questions, what are you doing if the wikidata is refering to McDonald's but the tag name or operator is telling Burger King ? This proposal improves data consistency and relationship between data. Are we really willing to reject it because

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:33 PM, Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de wrote: -1 You would create new bugs for the plumber McDonalds, the taxi company McDonalds and many more, who are NOT named McDonald's (or vice versa). I'm talking to amenity=fast_food + operator=McDonalds instead of

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: This proposal improves data consistency and relationship between data. Are we really willing to reject it because the data we put in may be wrong? No, Because it duplicates existing tags. Because it might create

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
2013/2/27 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com Yes, but the wikidata ID does not help in this case. McDonald's Corp. is not the same as McDonald's Deutschland Inc., you can find information about this in the German page, but not in other languages. As long as wikidata only links to

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:43 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: This proposal improves data consistency and relationship between data. Are we really willing to reject it because the data we put in may be wrong? No, Because it duplicates

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Because it might create inconsistencies. Does not, as I pointed above. You don't use two tags at the same time for a single piece of information. At most, you use a second fallback one _in case the first is not

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/2/27 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: Because it might create inconsistencies. Does not, as I pointed above. You don't use two tags at the same time for a single piece of information. At most, you use a second

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread A.Pirard.Papou
On 2013-02-27 12:08, Jo wrote : I suggested to Waymarked Trail http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/ and I have mentioned to this list that any free format field like operator should be explicitly allowed to contain an URL and that the programs should auto-recognize URLs to make them

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Peter Wendorff
You call for editor support for a new external ID that's not controllable. You want it to be a replacement (well, you agree to keep the old tags, but your argumentation is that the old tags are not necessary any more with the existence of Wikidata. This contains several preconditions you

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Simone Saviolo
2013/2/27 Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de You call for editor support for a new external ID that's not controllable. You want it to be a replacement (well, you agree to keep the old tags, but your argumentation is that the old tags are not necessary any more with the existence of

Re: [Tagging] Amenity=shelter for field shelter?

2013-02-27 Thread Alberto
Thank you for your photo. I've also updated the animal page [1] and I reused your photo. [1] http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Animal Bye Alberto Thanks for the update of the wiki. I added one of my photos. Best regards, Martin ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Wikidata tag

2013-02-27 Thread Janko Mihelić
Dana srijeda, 27. veljače 2013., korisnik Peter Wendorff wendo...@uni-paderborn.de je napisao: You call for editor support for a new external ID that's not controllable. It isn't any less controllable then Wikipedia. But it is more reliable. 2) wikidata will not change the meaning of the

Re: [Tagging] Proposition for a classification of path

2013-02-27 Thread Balaitous
Hi, You insinuate that I want to remove the other tags characterizing paths. This is false. What I propose is a new tag providing a summarized information, such that no algorithm can do. Besides, I think we should also tag of the markup, like markup=yes/no markup:quality= scale from 1 to 5

Re: [Tagging] Proposition for a classification of path

2013-02-27 Thread Balaitous
Le mardi 26 février 2013 à 15:19 -0500, Richard Welty a écrit : i think it has the potential to be confusing, in part because tracktype already exists for highway=track, and tracktype is entirely about actual physical characteristics. i suspect it is a mistake to try to aggregate logical