Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 4:46 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised about this discussion. Think that amenity=place_of_worship has to be treated like amenity=school. Nobody is asking to create a landuse=school because it is rendered properly on the main osm style. The problem is

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Janko Mihelić
2014-07-18 11:15 GMT+02:00 Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: +1. I've always ignored the fact that the main rendering draws amenity=place_of_worship in a really dark color and I tag the whole church grounds as amenity=place_of_worship and tag the church building itself with

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 6:19 PM, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com wrote: I'm not sure church grounds is a place of worship. People don't usually worship God in an organized manner besides the church. There are actually a lot of churches where I am where the Catholic 14 Stations of the Cross are

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread John Sturdy
Some monasteries have quite extensive grounds which are within the monastic enclosure, that is, private to the monastic community and subject to the same rules as the monastery (e.g. if it's a silent order, that area of the grounds will be silent). __John

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18/lug/2014 um 00:14 schrieb John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: I still think shop=jewelry shouldn't be changed, because it seems well-established, so it simply isn't worth it to change them. It might be some inconsistency, but it's a really small one. I believe we should be rigid

Re: [Tagging] Tag for shops proposing personalized plates?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18/lug/2014 um 10:58 schrieb Severin Menard severin.men...@gmail.com: Hi, I have been looking for an existing tag for these specific shops that are not copyshops, but propose only personalized mural plates (eg for office in the building entrance). Any idea? not sure about

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18/lug/2014 um 12:50 schrieb John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com: Some monasteries have quite extensive grounds which are within the monastic enclosure, that is, private to the monastic community and subject to the same rules as the monastery (e.g. if it's a silent order, that area of the

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18/lug/2014 um 12:32 schrieb Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com: Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with place_of_worship only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. To what else would you like to extend it? cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 18.07.2014 13:22, Martin Koppenhoefer napisał(a): English spellings in order to keep it simple. If we started to use arbitrary spellings we'd soon end up in a mess where you'd have to look up the specific spelling of every single tag even when you remember the tag... -0,5 =} I think

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
As we all know, rendering is different from tagging. If people want to change how place_of_worship is rendered, that's a different issue for a different venue. This is about how to tag the data. On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 4:15 AM, Eugene Alvin Villar sea...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Jul 17, 2014

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with place_of_worship only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. I hear what you're saying, but with a tag that's used 600K times (on 226K ways), we have to look at actual usage for part of our guidance.

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18/lug/2014 um 14:27 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: Beside, when you use some tags, you just remember them, no matter how strange would they be spelled, and when you don't, you have to check it anyway. This is not (mainly) about pavement vs. sidewalk, but about similar couples

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Andreas Goss
I think for most of the mappers (including me) English is not their primary language and I'm not sure what kind of mix of British/American/out-of-the-blue/simply-wrong words I'm using. At least in Germany (or at my school) there was a huge emphasis on using British English and using habor

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Jesse B. Crawford
On 2014-07-18 09:27 AM, Andreas Goss wrote: I think for most of the mappers (including me) English is not their primary language and I'm not sure what kind of mix of British/American/out-of-the-blue/simply-wrong words I'm using. At least in Germany (or at my school) there was a huge emphasis

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Christian Quest
2014-07-18 17:55 GMT+02:00 Jesse B. Crawford je...@jbcrawford.us: Something I've noticed as an American that works with many foreign nationals is that the majority of people who learn English in a foreign country seem to learn British English - my sample may be biased since I work with a lot

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Andreas Goss
Am 7/18/14 17:55 , schrieb Jesse B. Crawford: In the case of existing tags people will hopefully tend to use the spelling that's already predominant, but new tags are being added at such a rate that it's still an issue. The problem I have with this is that it also takes away the initiative to

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
Then there's Canada, which freely uses both spellings as equally acceptable... On Jul 18, 2014 12:53 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote: Should british english be preferred? Yes. Do we need to change shop=jewelry to shop=jewellery? No. Not remembering the spelling is not an issue

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 9:36 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: Besides, I don't think we need to be quite literal with place_of_worship only being tagged for the actual specific object where one does worshiping. I hear what you're saying, but with a tag that's used 600K

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Cool, thanks for the examples! To clarify, I didn't say that method was invalid, I was saying that it didn't look very common to me. From what you sent, it appears I may be wrong about that. :) So, it looks like there are two distinct approaches to using the amenity=place_of_worship tag: 1)

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 18/lug/2014 um 23:07 schrieb Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com: maybe other tags that apply, like amenity=monastery for a monastery there is also community proposed by FrViPofm http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:community the proposed values are a bit atypical for osm, as

Re: [Tagging] Synonymous values in the shop key

2014-07-18 Thread Andreas Goss
Am 7/16/14 23:32 , schrieb Bryan Housel: Oddly we have the mostly standard `craft=brewery`: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:craft%3Dbrewery … but winery tagging is fragmented. It was probably created before the craft key got much usage. I think there should be shop=wine and

Re: [Tagging] Religious landuse?

2014-07-18 Thread johnw
On Jul 17, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: I'm surprised about this discussion. Think that amenity=place_of_worship has to be treated like amenity=school. Nobody is asking to create a landuse=school because it is rendered properly on the main osm style Besides this

Re: [Tagging] British English Spelling shop=jewelry

2014-07-18 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
On Fri, Jul 18, 2014 at 11:55 PM, Jesse B. Crawford je...@jbcrawford.us wrote: Something I've noticed as an American that works with many foreign nationals is that the majority of people who learn English in a foreign country seem to learn British English - my sample may be biased since I

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
OK, given pnroman's git maps, and recent court cases, where's the problem in my proposed tagging of indian nations, overlapping states but below the US proper? On Thu, Jul 17, 2014 at 3:01 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: Looks about right. So...what's the issue? On Wed, Jun 25,

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] IR boundary tagging

2014-07-18 Thread Paul Johnson
I should add that I do not intend on changing state boundaries, just mapping indian nations where I know the boundaries to lie on the ground, as higher than state, lower than the country, inside the US only, if that wasn't clear on the admin level argument. It would still be possible to render a