Well, dump_point might be a workable compromise and it plays well with the
key water_point that describes a place where one can get potable water in
larger quantities than you might get at a water tap.
Agree on your campground vs camp_site conclusion. It's too late to change
it now.
I don't have
I have never seen the term chemical disposal point
No, new term to me too. Must be a UK thing. In Aust, dump point rules
and I am a caravanner.
We'll need a list of terms that people might search for, little point in
debating it, clearly everyone will have their own favourite but
On 2/3/15 6:14 AM, Colin Smale wrote:
Same as for normal vehicles, but ignoring the access tag and any
restrictions
but you've declared that access=no applies both to obstructed
routes (bollards, guardrails, etc) and unobstructed routes.
richard
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rwe...@averillpark.net
Averill Park
Am 03.02.2015 um 13:23 schrieb Richard Welty:
On 2/3/15 6:14 AM, Colin Smale wrote:
Same as for normal vehicles, but ignoring the access tag and any
restrictions
but you've declared that access=no applies both to obstructed
routes (bollards, guardrails, etc) and unobstructed routes.
In my
On February 3, 2015 3:05:53 AM CST, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Feb 2, 2015 3:11 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us
wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, John F. Eldredge
j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:
Once again, we are divided by a common language. In American
Hi!
2015-02-02 18:06 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org:
On Feb 2, 2015 8:47 AM, Martin Vonwald imagic@gmail.com wrote:
Yes - and what tag would that be for emergency stopping only? I think
that is my main question. Do we have one for that?
parking:lane=emergency seems like a
On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Warin wrote:
On 2/02/2015 10:22 AM, Tod Fitch wrote:
On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote:
I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto
the main camp_site page. Specifically the site/pitch specific tags at
Surely there is never a law against breaking down. When your car dies,
it dies. If the intention is to persuade people to try to get their
dying vehicle as far as possible to the right (left in the UK), well, we
don't need to tag for that because it is standard. If the intention is
to go
On Feb 2, 2015 3:11 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:
Once again, we are divided by a common language. In American usage, a
cistern is a holding tank for captured rain water, used as an alternative
to
Same as for normal vehicles, but ignoring the access tag and any
restrictions given by hgv, psv, bus, motor_vehicle etc according to what
type of emergency vehicle you are routing for. A police motorcycle is
not the same as a 10-wheel fire truck or a huge mobile crane on the
direction of the
That's an easy one: shoulder=yes. Access=breakdown or access=emergency
wouldn't answer your question unambiguously either. Are you concerned
about the name (which lane is called the shoulder?) or the function
(which lane should I dump the car in if it breaks down? or can I use
this lane if my
2015-02-03 12:18 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:
That's an easy one: shoulder=yes.
Can you please explain to me, how this answers the question WHERE the
shoulder is? It does NOT have to be the leftmost or rightmost lane.
___
Tagging
A shoulder lane in the middle of the carriageway? Maybe you can
illustrate your scenario.
Under normal circumstances (one way per carriageway)
shoulder=left/right/both should cover it.
Or am I misunderstanding what you mean by shoulder?
On 2015-02-03 12:23, Martin Vonwald wrote:
Yesterday I had the following case on a dual carriageway - lanes from left
to right:
* two regular lanes
* one shoulder
* one bicycle lane
Sometimes the shoulder changes to a turning lane and back to a shoulder
after a junction. There is no physical separation whatsoever of all those
four lanes.
Hey
Can someone give me a hint how to tag two buildings which have a wall in
common and share one roof, e.g. roof:shape=hipped for both together.
Do we have a tag for only on one side hipped ?
I have this problem with several buildings but usually one the
first/last of the row are a problem.
Am 02.02.2015 um 23:28 schrieb Andy Mabbett:
On 22 January 2015 at 18:00, fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com wrote:
Anyway, I do not know a single shop in my area which only sells them so
shop=* will never fit.
Never? I'm reminded of the maxim that the singular of data is not
anecdote.
OK so it is a kind of buffer to keep the motorised traffic out of the
way of the bikes. Are there any circumstances under which any kind of
vehicle is permitted to be in that lane (while it is not a turn lane)?
That sounds too complex for highway=primary (or whatever) and
cycleway=lane.
@Javbw Indeed the problem of the traffic signal system names is still
not solved.However I would keep this separate. Lukas Schaus wants to
represent traffic signal phases (and uses – also in the new proposal –
more than one relation per traffic signal system). The traffic signal
system and its
I don't understand that comment... I am not declaring anything - at
worst I am making an incorrect assumption to catalyse a bit of a debate
(which seems to be working)...
How do we show the difference between legal and physical restrictions?
Looking at the wiki page for the access tag, its
Am 03.02.2015 um 10:34 schrieb Martin Vonwald:
Fine. But how do you specify where this lane is or if there is a lane at
all?
In the lanes:-tagging system it would work like:
boulder|lane|lane|boulder|turn-lane|bicycle lane
access:lanes=no|yes|yes|no|yes|no
Am 03.02.2015 um 17:37 schrieb fly:
Hey
Can someone give me a hint how to tag two buildings which have a wall in
common and share one roof, e.g. roof:shape=hipped for both together.
Do we have a tag for only on one side hipped ?
I have this problem with several buildings but usually one
On Tue, Feb 3, 2015 at 9:35 AM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com
wrote:
On February 3, 2015 3:05:53 AM CST, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org
wrote:
On Feb 2, 2015 3:11 PM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote:
On Mon, Feb 2, 2015 at 12:54 PM, John F. Eldredge
I forgot about this case, too, even though it's increasingly common in the
US (ostensibly to help cyclists get out of the door zone and feel more
comfortable cycling, but inevitably this arrangement causes an inescapable
curbside door zone, pedestrians not looking to cross a lane of traffic
Sorry, *still* catching up on stuff after the holidays, a mental breakdown,
a car breakdown, replacing that car with a truck, not being able to tag the
truck because of the holidays for a month, a truck breakdown...
On Sat, Dec 6, 2014 at 4:25 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On
On February 3, 2015 3:45:48 PM CST, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3/02/2015 5:03 PM, David Bannon wrote:
In the context where this discussion came up, camp_sites, I'd
suggest
waste=chemical_toilet is the one we are interested in. The
waste=excrement mentions boat. Boat facilities
On 4/02/2015 9:38 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
I think dump station is probably intended to refer to facilities
intended to receive the sewage from chemical toilets on board
recreational vehicles, and from man-portable chemical toilets
(basically a bucket with a seat and a tight-fitting lid).
On Mon, Dec 15, 2014 at 3:44 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2014-12-12 17:28 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com:
Am 05.12.2014 um 21:30 schrieb Paul Johnson:
How about site relations? Seems like a good use of a site relation.
As long as it possible to draw
On 2015-02-03 10:20, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Feb 3, 2015 3:06 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Surely there is never a law against breaking down.
And yet, in Oklahoma and Germany, it's considered preventable and, as
such, prohibited on roads with minimum posted limits. The irony
On 2/3/15 4:36 AM, Colin Smale wrote:
Then they are access=no (with foot=yes or whatever as appropriate) or
barrier=boulder. The way is blocked both for emergency services and
mere mortals. No need for access=emergency.
then how do you create a routing engine for use by emergency vehicles?
Hi!
2015-02-03 11:54 GMT+01:00 Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net:
On 2/3/15 4:36 AM, Colin Smale wrote:
Then they are access=no (with foot=yes or whatever as appropriate) or
barrier=boulder. The way is blocked both for emergency services and mere
mortals. No need for access=emergency.
On Feb 3, 2015 4:11 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On Tue Feb 3 09:36:21 2015 GMT, Colin Smale wrote:
On 2015-02-03 10:20, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Feb 3, 2015 3:06 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Preventable? How does that look in law? Is that Failure to
Getting back on topic for a moment Hard shoulders should be
access=no, not access=breakdown or access=emergency (the last two
shouldn't even exist IMHO). The baseline is that you shouldn't be there
at all. You get away with it if you have permission (blue lights) or no
choice (breakdown)
On 3/02/2015 7:51 PM, Tod Fitch wrote:
On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Warin wrote:
On 2/02/2015 10:22 AM, Tod Fitch wrote:
On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote:
I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto
the main camp_site page. Specifically the
On 4/02/2015 9:38 AM, John F. Eldredge wrote:
There is no documentation of the waste= values .. if you want to
add them go ahead. Anything there would be an improvement.
I check on the UK terms for chemical toilets ..
I have never seen the term chemical disposal point and if I did I would
assume it referred to either household chemicals like bleach, or cleaning
aids, or to industrial chemicals, like solvents, cleaning fluids, paint and
the like. I would drive right on past if I were driving an RN with full
Fine. But how do you specify where this lane is or if there is a lane at
all?
2015-02-03 10:05 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl:
Surely there is never a law against breaking down. When your car dies,
it dies. If the intention is to persuade people to try to get their dying
vehicle
On Tue Feb 3 09:36:21 2015 GMT, Colin Smale wrote:
On 2015-02-03 10:20, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Feb 3, 2015 3:06 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Preventable? How does that look in law? Is that Failure to maintain
the vehicle or what? What exactly will you get a ticket for?
On Feb 3, 2015 3:37 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
On 2015-02-03 10:20, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Feb 3, 2015 3:06 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Surely there is never a law against breaking down.
And yet, in Oklahoma and Germany, it's considered preventable and,
On 3/02/2015 7:51 PM, Tod Fitch wrote:
On Feb 1, 2015, at 5:24 PM, Warin wrote:
On 2/02/2015 10:22 AM, Tod Fitch wrote:
On Feb 1, 2015, at 2:50 PM, David Bannon wrote:
I would like to have some of the items on Extend_camp_site page brought onto
the main camp_site page. Specifically the
On Feb 3, 2015 3:06 AM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote:
Surely there is never a law against breaking down.
And yet, in Oklahoma and Germany, it's considered preventable and, as such,
prohibited on roads with minimum posted limits. The irony of this in a
state known for having a high
On 3/02/2015 5:03 PM, David Bannon wrote:
In the context where this discussion came up, camp_sites, I'd suggest
waste=chemical_toilet is the one we are interested in. The
waste=excrement mentions boat. Boat facilities are distinctly different,
usually relying on a large hose connecting the two
Done .. well at least a first attempt.
Ok.. I've hacked at the words, added some tag links and given examples
of the waste= key on the main page just so people can see it includes
some things they have not thought of?
I hope it is better , more inclusive - less exclusive.
Complaints,
On 4/02/2015 11:14 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote:
I have never seen the term chemical disposal point
Neither have I. Nor aires, stellplatz nor aree di sosta .. but then I
don't drive an RV nor caravan. So I've not been looking for them. I'm
only sharing what I've found.
On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at
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