2015-03-02 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense
Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only
for employees or out of order.
IMHO this doesn't qualify as open to public and the tag
It isn't good either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer
it for voting later on.
Why not? In one case I had an idea for tag that turned out to be poor one.
Testing it by using
saved producing proposal that maybe would seem reasonable but would have
many problems.
2015-03-03
To be clear: I contacted DERMAM http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DERMAM
but I am not expecting reply, account is inactive since 6 months.
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/DERMAM
2015-03-03 16:09 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
I would remove such objects where I am
I would remove such objects where I am surveying. In that case I contacted
author of tag with information that amenity=toilets is defined as public
toilet.
2015-03-03 16:00 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
However, since someone apparently HAS been mapping private toilets, we
I believe there is room for tagging both the amenity and the private toilet
where this is deemed a positive study point.
The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is
rendered on the map.
As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places
where it is
On Mar 3, 2015, at 12:10 PM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net wrote:
On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 10:44 +0900, John Willis wrote:
There are all kinds of buildings we map that are completely private (houses,
for example), yet are visible from publicly accessible places.
OK, so perhaps we
What are those toilets? Are they little shacks like this one:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Pit_latrines_in_Briqueterie_-_des_latrines_%C3%A1_fosses_%C3%A0_la_Briqueterie,_Yaounde_%283447843124%29.jpg
If so, then maybe building=toilet could be the best fit.
I've been looking at tags from
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:26 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-03-02 21:01 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
access=no or access=private do not seem to make much sense
Toilet may be open only to to a limited public - in military base, only
for
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:10 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
I would agree, but I cannot imagine how to identify mechanically (i.e.
without knowing the place) which toilets are private home toilets.
A fair number of these were collected using tags like
On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 01:52 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Do people agree with a purge or retag of home toilets that can be
mechanically identified?
Yes, I guess so. I hate the idea of removing data but honestly, this
data has no place there. Could be quite a task. Is this something that
can be
I'm trying to capture the accepted payment for each lane at a toll booth. I
haven't been able to find any other examples of this and I'm hoping for
some pointers here.
One thought is to use the :lanes suffix in conjunction with payment:*
So for this toll:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:35 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com
wrote:
I don't think it is good to leave tags in a floating state for a long
time as it will prevent people from starting to use them. It isn't good
either to start using a tag as a kind of prototype and offer it for voting
2015-03-03 16:52 GMT+01:00 AYTOUN RALPH ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com:
The amenity=toilet is an existing tag for public access amenity and is
rendered on the map.
As toilets do not sit out in the open (except in some continental places
where it is just a modesty wall) but are rather housed in a
2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Now I'm wondering if there is tags for boys girls as well. Off to
the wiki...
yes, there are already tags for this:
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:female
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:male
On Mar 2, 2015 7:59 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
3) We already have access=private, a well established tag. The
question is which private things should be excluded from
rendered maps (e.g. toilets), and which ones should show (e.g. buildings).
Why not use a faded icon or a
On Mar 3, 2015, at 6:46 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the halls
of congress.
typically those places have different kind of toilets,
On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging
operator:type=private
into access=no or access=private, so that rendering software can
choose to omit these locations depending on the map purpose.
I'm supportive
At this moment I have three proposals the comment stage (campsite
classification, vehicle storage, camping electricity supply) with a very
simple purpose: to fill holes in the mapping possibilities for overlanders
(people travelling for a long time with their own transport often through
developing
By the time you get to that level of tagging,
why not micro map each lane?
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On 2015-03-03 17:02, Jake Wasserman wrote :
I'm trying to capture the accepted payment for each lane at a toll
booth. I haven't been able to find any other examples of this and I'm
hoping for some pointers here.
One thought is to use the :lanes suffix in conjunction with payment:*
So for
Because there is no widespread or useful tagging scheme for tagging each
lane as separate way?
And because it would result in a hopeless and pointless clutter?
2015-03-03 19:07 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
By the time you get to that level of tagging,
why not micro map each
Wiki ( https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:surface ) lists
paving_stones:30
and paving_stones:20 as good values for key surface, defined as
Square paving stones with 30cm/20cm sides.
I think it is a really bad idea, there is a really wide variety of sizes of
paving stones
and cobblestones, so
Often each hotel room or RV hookup has a water tap, toilet and shower
specific to that site.
I feel that mapping those goes too far. But that if they are micromapped,
the access tag must be used to distinguish them from something a map
readers can expect to use.
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 5:35 AM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com
wrote:
In summary I doubt if the proposed changes will bring an improvement, but
I wonder if we need voting at all, or only the preceding discussion.
The voting hurdle tends to force the discussion.
That's the value of the
On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com:
Now I'm wondering if there is tags for boys girls as well. Off to the
wiki...
yes, there are already tags for this:
It may be a bit off-topic, but as I have expressed elsewhere, I think one of
the problems with the current voting process is the infrastructure.
I believe that using a mailing list plus wiki voting worked ok so far, but
needs to be updated.
Most young people probably don't even know what a
John Willis wrote on 2015-03-03 22:46:
On Mar 4, 2015, at 1:03 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
2015-03-03 14:07 GMT+01:00 John Willis jo...@mac.com mailto:jo...@mac.com:
Now I'm wondering if there is tags for boys girls as well. Off to
On Tue, 3 Mar 2015, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property
I'm not sure this fully captures the complexity though. We want building
outlines and perhaps private swimming pools as landuse indicators.
2015-03-03 19:20 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com:
Because there is no widespread or useful tagging scheme for tagging each
lane as separate way?
typically there are physically separated ways at the toll booth area, so
mapping them individually is within the common standards,
2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property
This seems to be written with a certain cultural, legal and political
background. E.g. there are even people questioning
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 1:20 PM, Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com
wrote:
Because there is no widespread or useful tagging scheme for tagging each
lane as separate way?
And because it would result in a hopeless and pointless clutter?
2015-03-03 19:07 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Jan van Bekkum jan.vanbek...@gmail.com
wrote:
I find it quite hard to find existing proposals, perhaps because there
are so many abandoned ones.
- A list of active votes can be found at Category:Proposed features
Voting
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:12 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com
wrote:
2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
Here's a draft of a wiki tag for this:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property
This seems to be written with a
I assume there is no opposition to either method then.
Most tram systems are mapped as individual ways (usually in parallel
pairs), even when they share space with cars and have no physical
separation. I'm not really acquainted with tramway mapping (they're
very rare in Brazil), but I tried to
On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 22:06 -0800, Bryce Nesbitt wrote:
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 9:55 PM, Jan van Bekkum
jan.vanbek...@gmail.com wrote:
I find it quite hard to find existing proposals,
perhaps because there are so many abandoned ones.
* A list of active
On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 13:35 +, Jan van Bekkum wrote:
Jan, for a non English speaker, you put it very well !
I agree with what you have said except, perhaps dropping the voting
altogether. Voting does focus the group and as it has a formal finish
date, might (just might) encourage closure.
On Tue, 2015-03-03 at 13:36 -0700, jgpacker wrote:
We should try to look for other systems, such as Loomio [1]
The current approach is, perhaps a touch clunky but its stable and
predictable as a service. Mailing lists and wikis have been around for a
long time. There are almost identical
Please retag indeed!
paving_stones:size=20cm
Is a much better method for this kind of insane micromapping.
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Another aspect we need consider is accuracy ? Has the mapper knocked on
the door and said I'm here to inspect your toilet ?
Outside, we can see the traditional outhouse, but we have no reason to
consider it functional. Inner cities here used to have lanes used by the
dunny cart man who took the
Using the relation, I've added step area to the Sydney Opera House .. it
is a very wide area ..
http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/4645750
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_dWyIdmBCSgM/S4N0sVrvg1I/BuM/Y-b1wCmXbps/s1600-h/DSCN7848.JPG
Are there any examples of a non rectangular large area
The whole idea of including a size for paving stones seems overkill to me.
Although in places like Germany and Austria where they're running out of
things to map, it might be more attractive.
On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 8:45 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote:
Please retag indeed!
Huh. And here in Australia (well, at least amongst the people I know) the
difference between a hike and any other form of walking is strictly
whether it's more than one day. A daywalk is, well, a day or less, and a
hike is two or more days.
But that doesn't cause me any concerns using
In exchange for a positive vote I am more than happy to share the links :-)
-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/power_supply%3Dintermittent
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http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/parking%3Dcar_storage
-
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:Mapping_Private_Property;
I think that it is perfectly OK to map (for example) private buildings not
visible from any public place (I posted it also on wiki).
2015-03-03 18:53 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
Here's a draft of a wiki tag
On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, Bryce Nesbitt
bry...@obviously.com
mailto:bry...@obviously.com wrote:
I'm opening a discussion about at least mechanically re-tagging
operator:type=private
into access=no or access=private, so that rendering software can
If those toilets are private, why do they state if women can use them?
Isn't that a private matter up to the owner of the toilette?
2015-03-03 15:04 GMT+01:00 Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com:
On 03/03/2015 13:30, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Mar 2, 2015 12:07 PM, Bryce Nesbitt
On Tue, Mar 3, 2015 at 2:20 AM, David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net
wrote:
Yes, I guess so. I hate the idea of removing data but honestly, this
data has no place there. Could be quite a task. Is this something that
can be done by approaching the taggers ? I'm assuming there are only a
small
2015-03-03 11:17 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
a traveler will ... be expected to...hide behind a bush.
btw.: if there are certain places which for spatial configuration and other
factors are ideal for hiding behind a bush and you can e.g. smell or see
that they are used for
2015-03-03 4:10 GMT+01:00 David Bannon dban...@internode.on.net:
I see a problem here, some parts of the world refer to 'toilet' as
meaning only that part you sit on
we shouldn't imply that there is any part to sit on in order to be a
toilet. There are lots of toilets with no part to sit
2015-03-03 10:52 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
Do people agree with a purge or retag of home toilets that can be
mechanically identified?
I would agree, but I cannot imagine how to identify mechanically (i.e.
without knowing the place) which toilets are private home toilets.
2015-03-03 10:31 GMT+01:00 Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com:
The same can be said for public buildings like the White House, or the
halls of congress.
typically those places have different kind of toilets, some thought for
visitors or a more general audience, others with more private
Toilet in the OSM sense refers to the area where the activity can take
place. It's generally tagged on a room or a building.
A five star hotel lobby toilet or an outhouse shanty get the same tag, as
long as they are open (under give access= rules) for the purpose of
elimination.
The newish
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