[Tagging] dock=tidal

2015-05-28 Thread 715371
Hi, I just wondered how to tag a dock which is tidal, since the wiki does not propose anything for that case. In fact the wiki proposes dock=tidal for a dock, which has a tidal independent water level i.e. the water level is managed. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:waterway%3Ddock But

Re: [Tagging] dock=tidal

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
Dock=gated -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to ongoing harassment of me, my family, property pets* TCs

[Tagging] Comms towers

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
What's with Man_made=communications_tower tower:type=communications Does one tag towers with both ? -- Mike. @millomweb https://sites.google.com/site/millomweb/index/introduction - For all your info on Millom and South Copeland via *the area's premier website - * *currently unavailable due to

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 2:57 PM, Richard ricoz@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:09:56PM -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote: If this is like many fuel stations, it's probably just a roof with no walls. Typically, I've seen those tagged building=roof. In that case, the covered=* tag

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Tod Fitch
JOSM’s validity checking will warn against a highway=* going through a building=roof but it accepts it if you add a layer=1, so in this situation I’ve been using the following tagging: building=roof layer=1 (and typically other things like amenity=fuel). Often, but not always, there is a small

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Brad Neuhauser
If this is like many fuel stations, it's probably just a roof with no walls. Typically, I've seen those tagged building=roof. In that case, the covered=* tag seems redundant. On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 12:59 PM, Bryan Housel br...@7thposition.com wrote: Isn’t that exactly the situation that

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Bryan Housel
Isn’t that exactly the situation that `covered` is for - so that validators don’t raise a warning about the way passing through a building? (I don’t use this tag myself, but I assumed that’s why it exists). On May 28, 2015, at 1:41 PM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: Here is

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Richard
On Thu, May 28, 2015 at 01:09:56PM -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote: If this is like many fuel stations, it's probably just a roof with no walls. Typically, I've seen those tagged building=roof. In that case, the covered=* tag seems redundant. true, but I consider building=roof somewhat poor as the

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Here is another excessively mapped covered tag: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/182529550 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:39 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Addresses are used to identify buildings. Not all buildings need to be identified. Did you ever look at the example that I've send you ? (probably not because it doesn't fit in your idea of addresses) The house

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread Warin
On 29/05/2015 9:45 AM, pmailkeey . wrote: I've seen 'covered' being used (once!) and my opinion is this: First example under railway bridge, now car park - use tunnel, not 'covered'. Anywhere within buildings, use tunnel=building_passage. The only real significant place 'covered' would seem

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 08:24, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without resorting to circular definitions)? I have never seen a flag for this in any of the many address databases I have worked with. Address on a node and address on

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread John Willis
On May 29, 2015, at 11:02 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: And that ties in nicely with my thoughts of removing the words and generating tags and values by symbols ! Mapping by emoji! Just put a hot dog symbol in the hot-dog stand! ^_^ For getting data into the database

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread John Willis
On May 28, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: while man_made covers technical structures and facilities (like factories, chimneys, flagpoles, lighthouses, silos, ...). If there is one big change I would like to make it would be to greatly reduce the

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
I've seen 'covered' being used (once!) and my opinion is this: First example under railway bridge, now car park - use tunnel, not 'covered'. Anywhere within buildings, use tunnel=building_passage. The only real significant place 'covered' would seem most appropriate would be where a highway is

Re: [Tagging] To mark as covered, or to not mark as covered?

2015-05-28 Thread John Eldredge
One case where covered would be appropriate would be a highway or railway in the mountains, where a slanted roof is above the way to protect against falling rocks and/or avalanches. I remember encountering such in the Swiss Alps. On May 28, 2015 6:46:21 PM pmailkeey .

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread John Willis
On May 28, 2015, at 6:22 PM, AYTOUN RALPH ralph.ayt...@ntlworld.com wrote: And with this argument for a hierarchical approach we are back to the start point of umbrella tags that cover all possibilities which is landuse=educational as a polygon encompassing the whole area and the

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 02:54, John Willis jo...@mac.com wrote: On May 28, 2015, at 4:52 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: while man_made covers technical structures and facilities (like factories, chimneys, flagpoles, lighthouses, silos, ...). If there is one big change

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 09:49, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even sheds and garages) would need their own address.

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/28/15 8:44 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Do explain first problem - where google points do you have any idea how many things are wrong with that statement? the two big ones: 1) we must not depend on anything google does 2) google doesn't even reliably get it right so handwaving where google

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
Do explain On 29 May 2015 at 01:39, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/28/15 8:26 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Postcodes don't have addresses! Where Google points, given that postcode, for a geographic address Bigstone Meadow Tutshill Nr Chepstow Gloucestershire England

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 29 May 2015 at 01:50, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 5/28/15 8:44 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Do explain first problem - where google points do you have any idea how many things are wrong with that statement? the two big ones: 1) we must not depend on anything google

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 07:28, johnw jo...@mac.com wrote: On May 16, 2015, at 10:29 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for the post, John. Thanks for reading ^^ How about: Forest=natural ? isn’t that natural=wood? I don't know the difference between a wood and a

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread pmailkeey .
On 28 May 2015 at 07:32, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal Mail's convenience, not yours. Often your (correct) postal address suggests you are in a different town, and sometimes even a different country. What would you call the

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/28/15 8:26 PM, pmailkeey . wrote: Postcodes don't have addresses! Where Google points, given that postcode, for a geographic address Bigstone Meadow Tutshill Nr Chepstow Gloucestershire England ummm, i think you have quite a bit to learn about geocoding. richard --

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Ross
Hi Mike, Here's the entrance https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-15.91204/135.52593 There's nothing mapped there but if you look at bing imagery you can see where the access is. Here's the approximate centroid https://www.openstreetmap.org/#map=15/-15.5677/135.7972 Cheers Ross On

Re: [Tagging] Comms towers

2015-05-28 Thread Andrew Errington
According to the wiki: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:man_made%3Dcommunications_tower One does. On 29 May 2015 at 07:18, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: What's with Man_made=communications_tower tower:type=communications Does one tag towers with both ? -- Mike.

Re: [Tagging] Comms towers

2015-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
according to this wiki page there is a difference between man_made=communications_tower and man_made=tower tower:type=communications and then there is also man_made=mast tower:type=communications pretty easy to understand :-) On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 6:23 AM, Andrew Errington

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Marc Gemis
On Fri, May 29, 2015 at 2:39 AM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Mike. 54.212404,-3.270514

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 8:28 GMT+02:00 johnw jo...@mac.com: How about: Forest=natural ? isn’t that natural=wood? or forest=man_made ? [=plantation or somesuch term for a human-planted forest]. A forest is a man-altered area, so i believe “forest” already implies man-used. But it is not man_made

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal Mail's convenience, not yours. Often your (correct) postal address suggests you are in a different town, and sometimes even a different country. What would you call the geographic address for NP16 7JU? The postal address is Chepstow. It's not

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without resorting to circular definitions)? I have never seen a flag for this in any of the many address databases I have worked with. On 2015-05-28 02:04, pmailkeey . wrote: On 28 May 2015 at 00:39, Eugene Alvin Villar

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 28.05.2015 um 09:24 schrieb Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Mike, what's a node address and what's an area address (without resorting to circular definitions)? I have never seen a flag for this in any of the many address databases I have worked with. have you dealt with

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even sheds and garages) would need their own address. In multi-occupancy buildings (apartments, shared offices etc) each

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread johnw
On May 16, 2015, at 10:29 PM, pmailkeey . pmailk...@googlemail.com wrote: Thanks for the post, John. Thanks for reading ^^ I think the problem is the tagging method. Why does there have to be two parts to it ? beyond necessary database syntax (key=value), This is a flat vs

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-05-28 12:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-28 12:12 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: If you have a block of flats with 2000 people apparently living at the same address, I can't imagine that a single, shared letter box will be enough. Each apartment will have

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 12:12 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: If you have a block of flats with 2000 people apparently living at the same address, I can't imagine that a single, shared letter box will be enough. Each apartment will have its own address. Or are you talking about where each

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread AYTOUN RALPH
And with this argument for a hierarchical approach we are back to the start point of umbrella tags that cover all possibilities which is landuse=educational as a polygon encompassing the whole area and the whole range of educational facilities. using landuse=school excludes universities,

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Colin Smale
On 2015-05-28 11:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2015-05-28 10:49 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-05-28 10:49 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl: Addresses are just labels, with (in the general case) an N:M relation with areas. Addresses are not used to identify buildings, as that would imply that all buildings (even sheds and garages) would need their own address.

Re: [Tagging] Removal of amenity from OSM tagging

2015-05-28 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 28.05.2015 11:22, AYTOUN RALPH napisał(a): And with this argument for a hierarchical approach we are back to the start point of umbrella tags that cover all possibilities which is landuse=educational as a polygon encompassing the whole area and the whole range of educational facilities.

Re: [Tagging] housenumber on node and area

2015-05-28 Thread John Eldredge
Also, large industrial facilities may have all mail delivered to a central office, yet have separate street addresses for individual buildings for delivering goods. On May 28, 2015 9:21:44 AM Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: In the UK we have postal addresses which are for Royal