Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05/01/2017 11:07 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > I also thought like this, but not so rarely I have noticed people are > not only adding this link as the first word, they are also replacing the > following definition by the first paragraph of the English wikipedia > article with the same

Re: [Tagging] Non-live cables for bracing power lines?

2017-05-01 Thread John Willis
I think you can use pole to map the pole, but if you are trying to map the wire, then you have to have a guy_wire or support_cable created. Javbw > On May 1, 2017, at 9:42 PM, John Sturdy wrote: > > I guess this is micro-mapping and probably OK by just about anyone to

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andrew Hain
Defending the wiki from the twin editing hazards of editors with more enthusiasm than judgement and cargo cult-style copying by people who misunderstand the reasons to do or not to do things is difficult. For one thing you do not want to sink to that level yourself when editing. -- Andrew

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
Am 01.05.2017 um 22:34 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > surely their performer didn't follow the automated edits code of conduct. O really, which case applies ? * changes made by Bots , which by definition act autonomously from human intervention. *

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-01 20:06 GMT+02:00 Frederik Ramm : > I wouldn't worry too much. > > A Wikipedia link is an optional component that can be added to a tag > description to someone who knows what the tag is about. > I also thought like this, but not so rarely I have noticed people are

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-01 18:55 GMT+02:00 Thilo Haug : > if you generally think that "aeroway (is) not appropriate for spacecraft", > but people already used it before, why don't you create a proposal > for the "correct" tagging in your point of view ? > I don't need to write my own proposal to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - meadow=wooded_meadow

2017-05-01 Thread Tod Fitch
> On May 1, 2017, at 11:47 AM, Mattias Dalkvist wrote: > > Hi all, please comment. > > meadow=wooded_meadow > : > A vegetation complex consisting of small copses of trees and shrubs and >

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - meadow=wooded_meadow

2017-05-01 Thread Mattias Dalkvist
Hi all, please comment. meadow=wooded_meadow : A vegetation complex consisting of small copses of trees and shrubs and patches of open meadows. -- Dalkvist ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 04/29/2017 10:26 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > A lot of tag definitions sooner or later get a wikipedia link to an article I wouldn't worry too much. A Wikipedia link is an optional component that can be added to a tag description to someone who knows what the tag is about. If the

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug
Hi Martin, if you generally think that "aeroway (is) not appropriate for spacecraft", but people already used it before, why don't you create a proposal for the "correct" tagging in your point of view ? https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:aeroway%3Dspaceport I'm getting tired of this

Re: [Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-01 18:30 GMT+02:00 Thilo Haug OSM : > Hello all, > > as aeroway=spaceport was already in use, > I created a wiki description for it : > as you know from the parallel thread you have started, this combination is disputed. There is no usage in numbers that would justify "de

[Tagging] aeroway=spaceport, aeroway=launchpad, aeroway=landingpad

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
Hello all, as aeroway=spaceport was already in use, I created a wiki description for it : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:aeroway%3Dspaceport Launchpad is also in use : http://overpass-turbo.eu/s/oL2 I case you feel this should be further discussed, please leave your comment here :

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
Hello all, so what is the principle of the "organisation of information" in OSM ? Up to now, I couldn't find a documentation that explains the general philosophy how to tag items. Cheers, Thilo > different organisation of information. > will very likely not be what we want.

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-05-01 14:43 GMT+02:00 Andy Mabbett : > > > no, my main concern is that both have different scope, and that people > are > > modifying wikidata without looking at the use of osm tags. > > You wrote "sometimes we have multiple tags in OSM each covering a > specific

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 1 May 2017 at 13:18, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > On 1. May 2017, at 12:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: > >> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint >> was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you

[Tagging] Non-live cables for bracing power lines?

2017-05-01 Thread John Sturdy
I guess this is micro-mapping and probably OK by just about anyone to leave unmapped, but I'm feeling thorough... near where I live, there's a power line running along the edge of a byway, and an apparently non-powered cable leading from the top of one of the poles (

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
> Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. In the OSM Wiki there's enough complexity (and not everything is "orthogonal"). If you'd like to tag tourism POIs, you should check

Re: [Tagging] barrier=rocks?

2017-05-01 Thread John Sturdy
Thanks! Yes, I can see that now. On Mon, May 1, 2017 at 1:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > > > On 1. May 2017, at 14:13, John Sturdy wrote: > > > > barrier=block is listed in taginfo, but that looks like it refers to >

Re: [Tagging] barrier=rocks?

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. May 2017, at 14:13, John Sturdy wrote: > > barrier=block is listed in taginfo, but that looks like it refers to > manufactured (concrete) blocks rather than natural boulders or quarried stone. You can use barrier=block for these, it covers

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone sent from a phone > On 1. May 2017, at 12:37, Andy Mabbett wrote: > > Do not falsely conflate "complex" with "worse". You original complaint > was, in effect, that there was a lack of complexity, now you complain > that there is. no, my main

[Tagging] barrier=rocks?

2017-05-01 Thread John Sturdy
Hi, At various points around where I live, there are barriers made by a row of large rocks, evidently intended to keep vehicle out of an area (particulary where there are concerns about long-term Traveller encampments, I think). Would barrier=rocks be suitable for this? barrier=block is listed

Re: [Tagging] wikipedia links and copy + paste in tag definitions

2017-05-01 Thread Andy Mabbett
On 30 April 2017 at 09:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 30. Apr 2017, at 07:09, Andy Mabbett wrote: >> >> No. The arguments made by Martin against linking to Wikipedia (which >> are themselves weak) do not stand up at all for Wikidata >