Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-11 Thread Kevin Kenny
Waymarked Trails associates waymarks only with routes, and assumes that any waymarked route, from local to international, will have a route relation describing it. Is there a reason that you see route relations for shorter routes as being 'wrong'? On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 10:17 PM brad wrote: >

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-11 Thread Marc Gemis
Can you point to some examples? In Belgium and The Netherlands we have node-networks. and some of the routes that are mapped in those networks can be pretty short. The shortest I know is only a few meters long: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/1696883#map=19/51.01511/4.44965 regards m. On

[Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-11 Thread brad
I see a lot of relations, type:route, which are only short trails/paths.   This is wrong isn't it?   Do you suppose that folks are doing this to get better rendering? Brad ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 11:25, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > If you arrive at the airport in Bali with your in-laws, and look on Maps.me > for the closest taxi stand and walk over to it, you will be quite > disappointed to find a line of motorcycles, and have to walk back to the > other side of the

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 19:30, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: > > In fact, I'm not sure how useful it is for us to tag phone numbers on > phoneboxes at all. Does anyone actually use this data for something useful? > Your local drug-dealers so people can ring them at the phone box? :-) On Mon, 11 May

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Mikko Tamura
This seems very logical. This is very evident jn Thailand also. Its like every 2 blocks in Bangkok there is a motorcycle taxi stand. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 11:26 PM Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com> wrote: > You guys, we are not talking about mapping a taxi call centre, where you >

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
You guys, we are not talking about mapping a taxi call centre, where you use a phone number to order a cab. We are talking about mapping a taxicab queue or stand: a spot where taxis wait for passengers. Of course if you have 8 people in your part, and walk up to a taxicab stand, they might tell

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Tom Pfeifer
On 11.05.2020 03:10, Paul Allen wrote: > I'm far from convinced that contact:website is useful.  It's certainly > semantically wrong.  It's a contact;webpage not a contact:website > (there are maybe a handful of exceptions to that).  Why do you think > the user is more likely to require the

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 13:43 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 11:45 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <> > tagging@openstreetmap.org> >: > >> May 11, 2020, 10:06 by >> dieterdre...@gmail.com>> : >> >>> On 11. May 2020, at 03:18, Jarek Piórkowski <>>> ja...@piorkowski.ca>>>

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 15:04 by tagging@openstreetmap.org: > I would also advocate to focus on parts of tagging that > are without known long-standing gridlock. > > Like contact:phone vs phone. > To clarify: I advocate avoiding known messes like phone vs contact:phone - this one will not be ever

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 03:47 by cjmal...@mail.com: > On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 02:10 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > >> And yet you, and others, keep saying it. "Deprecate" means "express >> disapproval of." In the context of OSM, it means "phase out." That >> is, >> eradicate with the passage of time. It

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 13:51, Marc M. wrote: > Le 11.05.20 à 14:42, Paul Allen a écrit : > > On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 10:58, s8evq wrote: > > What's you counter argument to the people suggesting that contact:* > > makes it easier for data consumers to gather all contact info in one > >

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 02:48, Cj Malone wrote: > On Mon, 2020-05-11 at 02:10 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > And yet you, and others, keep saying it. "Deprecate" means "express > > disapproval of." In the context of OSM, it means "phase out." That > > is, > > eradicate with the passage of time.

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Marc M.
Le 11.05.20 à 14:42, Paul Allen a écrit : > On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 10:58, s8evq wrote: > What's you counter argument to the people suggesting that contact:* > makes it easier for data consumers to gather all contact info in one > go, instead of hard coding all the possible keys. What

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 11 May 2020 at 10:58, s8evq wrote: > Hi Paul, > > On Mon, 11 May 2020 02:10:12 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > > I find the whole contact: namespace to be ill-conceived. But fine, if > > you want it then use it. Just please stop suggesting that we > > deprecate website=* and phone=*. > >

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Marc M.
Le 11.05.20 à 11:29, Shawn K. Quinn a écrit : > In fact, I'm not sure how useful it is for us to tag phone numbers on > phoneboxes at all. Does anyone actually use this data for something useful? it look like a ref, and a ref is useful to link 2 databases, including if we put it in the ref key :)

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 11:45 Uhr schrieb Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org>: > May 11, 2020, 10:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > On 11. May 2020, at 03:18, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > > Similarly if you were doing an analysis of surface area devoted to > public parking

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread s8evq
+1 I find you wrote down very sound and logical arguments. Splitting phone into "a way of contacting a business" and "a telephone number of a phonebooth" sounds logic. Counterargument is that you can figure this out by the fact that phone=* + shop=* means it's a business number.

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread s8evq
Hi Paul, On Mon, 11 May 2020 02:10:12 +0100, Paul Allen wrote: > I find the whole contact: namespace to be ill-conceived. But fine, if > you want it then use it. Just please stop suggesting that we > deprecate website=* and phone=*. What's you counter argument to the people suggesting that

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 11, 2020, 10:06 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 11. May 2020, at 03:18, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: >> >> Similarly if you were doing an analysis of surface area devoted to >> public parking then you also need to know to check for >> access!=private. >> > > > this

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Shawn K. Quinn
On 5/10/20 7:36 PM, Cj Malone wrote: > I think I stand by that quote, but I'm happy to discus it. I'm not > arguing that over night we should stop people using the phone tag. > Currently phone has at least 2 uses. A contact number and an incoming > number for a phone box. We should split these

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Mo., 11. Mai 2020 um 02:38 Uhr schrieb Cj Malone : > Currently phone has at least 2 uses. A contact number and an incoming > number for a phone box. We should split these out. If we are left with > totally_new_tag_for_phoneboxes and phone, where > totally_new_tag_for_phoneboxes is defined as

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. May 2020, at 10:04, Marc M. wrote: > > I don't imagine we're going to create several objects to describe > that a taxi waiting area has motorcycles, "normal" cars, vehicles > with a lot of passenger seats and vehicles with a heavy > luggage capacity. > on the ground

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. May 2020, at 03:18, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > Similarly if you were doing an analysis of surface area devoted to > public parking then you also need to know to check for > access!=private. this is indeed an unfortunate choice. Tagging a private access parking

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Marc M.
Hello, Le 10.05.20 à 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > imagine you are ordering a taxi for yourself and 2 colleagues to the > airport and instead of a taxi (cab) they send you 3 taxi moto. Would > that be equally ok, wouldn’t it matter, taxi is taxi? Imagine ordering a taxi and arriving in

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-11 Thread Phake Nick
在 2020年5月11日週一 09:18,Jarek Piórkowski 寫道: > On Sun, 10 May 2020 at 21:04, Phake Nick wrote: > > I am more thinking about analysis of geographical data of cities or > districts where taxi and motorcycle taxi would be two very different things > to be managed. > > If you are managing taxis and