Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Mark Wagner
On Tue, 12 May 2020 23:53:52 +0800 Phake Nick wrote: > Except capacity is only one of many differences between common taxi > and motorcycle taxi. Are there any differences that can't be explained by the fact that a motorcycle taxi uses a motorcycle to carry the passengers? For example, in the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Warin
On 13/5/20 9:28 am, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 13. May 2020, at 00:27, Tod Fitch wrote: Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is in use. Why not go with it? [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hazard there is also documentation.

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 9:37 PM brad wrote: > OK, but it seems redundant to me. A trail/path get tagged as a path. > There's a trailhead and a sign, it gets a tagged with a name. Why does > it need to be a route also? > Same reason all 0.11 miles of I 95 in Washington DC is part of a route.

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread brad
OK, but it seems redundant to me.   A trail/path get tagged as a path.  There's a trailhead and a sign, it gets a tagged with a name.   Why does it need to be a route also? On 5/12/20 11:43 AM, Kevin Kenny wrote: On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM Peter Elderson wrote: My view is that a route

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Tod Fitch
dog=yes|no|leashed already exists for a totally different semantic (letting dog owners know if their pet is allowed). If this goes forward I would prefer reversing thing and make it hazard=dog. That would also allow other types of hazards to be mapped. Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
May 13, 2020, 00:18 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > One in particular, roads in remote areas - yes, it's a dirt road, connecting > very small centres of population / remote "farms" (if it's still a "farm" > when it's bigger in area than some countries > ‽> ) only, so it "can't" be > important >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 13. May 2020, at 00:27, Tod Fitch wrote: > > Checking taginfo it seems hazard=* [1] is in use. Why not go with it? > > [1] https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/keys/hazard there is also documentation. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/hazard

Re: [Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 20:36, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: > On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: > Yes. Users are the ultimate measure of quality, yet they are most often > absent from our discussions. >From comments on the "contact point" thread On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 20:43, Sören

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Dog hazard

2020-05-12 Thread Ty S
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Dog_hazard Dangerous area with dogs. Please discuss on the page. I will respond to emails, but I rarely check, and it may take a bit to get back with you. -- Floridaeditor ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] highway=service, service=driveway vs highway=track

2020-05-12 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Apr 30, 2020, 19:45 by miketh...@gmail.com: > Hello, > > I have always been under the impression that the highway tag should be > based off of function. Recently I have come across a number of cases > where driveways and residential roads were tagged "highway=track" > (perhaps because they

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Yves
Le 12 mai 2020 19:02:24 GMT+02:00, Peter Elderson a écrit : >My view is that a route should have an indication on the ground. A >sign, a >trailhead, something. No verifiable indication whatsoever, then it's >not a >route. > >The length or the number of ways in the route does not make a

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 1:03 PM Peter Elderson wrote: > My view is that a route should have an indication on the ground. A sign, a > trailhead, something. No verifiable indication whatsoever, then it's not a > route. > > The length or the number of ways in the route does not make a difference

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Elderson
My view is that a route should have an indication on the ground. A sign, a trailhead, something. No verifiable indication whatsoever, then it's not a route. The length or the number of ways in the route does not make a difference to me. Best, Peter Elderson Op di 12 mei 2020 om 18:28 schreef

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread brad
We had a pretty lengthy discussion last October subject:'Cycling relation misuse' .  I got the impression that a route should be more than just a short trail. Are you saying that every trail should be route? Example: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6632400 My subject line should have

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 12. Mai 2020 um 18:02 Uhr schrieb Volker Schmidt : > > Bottom line: more we look into this taxi business more interesting and > confusing it gets. > IMHO it is not very confusing. There are taxis, and there are various other kind of individual and mass transportation and leisure rides

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Volker Schmidt
In this context: I have just realised that at Venice Aiport there are (at least) the following services and corresponding counters and stop positions. busses to various destinations. They depart from a bus-stop area, but have different counters according to the bus company water busses (separate

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Phake Nick
Except capacity is only one of many differences between common taxi and motorcycle taxi. 在 2020年5月11日週一 16:04,Marc M. 寫道: > Hello, > > Le 10.05.20 à 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : > > imagine you are ordering a taxi for yourself and 2 colleagues to the > > airport and instead of a taxi

Re: [Tagging] [Talk-us] admin_level and COGs, MPOs, SPDs, Home Rule

2020-05-12 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, May 12, 2020 at 8:59 AM stevea wrote: > > We in the Massachusetts local community want to have admin_level 6 > > relations for these boundaries, and I personally consider deleting them > > to be vandalism. > > Then let's hear from them and their rather precisely-described to-become >

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 14:01, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > if they expect both to have the same main tag, yes. After a while when > they have had their unpleasant experience and keep using crowd sourced > maps, they will be more cautious, I agree. > Or, after they have had an unpleasant

Re: [Tagging] Tag:amenity=motorcycle_taxi not approved

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. May 2020, at 02:37, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > In short, is this tag "tagging for the tourist"? Those in the know > will know to check if it's a motorcycle taxi or a car taxi stand. if they expect both to have the same main tag, yes. After a while when they have

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-05-12 12:58, Paul Allen wrote: > On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 11:43, Sören alias Valor Naram > wrote: > >> Hey, >> >> I am a "data customer", see https://babykarte.OpenStreetMap.de . That's why >> I initiated this discussion because this is important for me. But mappers >> are not

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Tue, 12 May 2020 at 11:43, Sören alias Valor Naram wrote: > Hey, > > I am a "data customer", see https://babykarte.OpenStreetMap.de . That's > why I initiated this discussion because this is important for me. But > mappers are not listening to data customers Why do you think that other

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. May 2020, at 06:24, Kevin Kenny wrote: > > Waymarked Trails associates waymarks only with routes, and assumes > that any waymarked route, from local to international, will have a > route relation describing it. > > Is there a reason that you see route relations for

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Sören alias Valor Naram
Hey,I am a "data customer", see https://babykarte.OpenStreetMap.de . That's why I initiated this discussion because this is important for me. But mappers are not listening to data customers and think they know how a database works (only few of them know that and those come from a technical

[Tagging] Quality and the Openstreetmap value chain

2020-05-12 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 5/12/20 11:42 AM, Richard Fairhurst wrote: I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual data consumers. Yes. Users are the ultimate measure of

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Philip Barnes
On 11/05/2020 10:29, Shawn K. Quinn wrote: On 5/10/20 7:36 PM, Cj Malone wrote: I think I stand by that quote, but I'm happy to discus it. I'm not arguing that over night we should stop people using the phone tag. Currently phone has at least 2 uses. A contact number and an incoming number for

Re: [Tagging] Remove non-prefixed versions of 'contact:' scheme

2020-05-12 Thread Richard Fairhurst
I love the fact that we are now 50 messages into discussing, for the second time, a change that would be made ostensibly for the benefit of data consumers, and yet no one has asked any actual data consumers. https://hitchhikers.fandom.com/wiki/Golgafrinchan_Ark_Fleet_Ship_B Richard -- Sent

Re: [Tagging] relations & paths

2020-05-12 Thread Peter Elderson
Can you give an example where you think it's wrong? Vr gr Peter Elderson Op di 12 mei 2020 om 04:17 schreef brad : > I see a lot of relations, type:route, which are only short > trails/paths. This is wrong isn't it? Do you suppose that folks are > doing this to get better rendering? > Brad