Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Peter Elderson
Martin Koppenhoefer: > I think we can assume that a line of trees in the middle is sufficient to > make mappers use 2 highways instead of 1!? How can we distinguish between > the following sections > tree - road - tree - road - tree > and > tree - road - tree - tree - road - tree > and > tree -

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-15 Thread Alan Mackie
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 18:12, Paul Allen wrote: > On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 17:05, Steve Doerr wrote: > >> On 12/08/2020 19:27, Paul Allen wrote: >> >> > I would interpret 'Collects', 'Issues', 'Spreads', and possibly 'Sinks' as >> verbs in the third person singular, rather than plural nouns. >> >

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2020, at 01:06, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > I'd leave it up to his listed website, &, if necessary, his receptionist :-) or just the name, people could google for the website ;-) Seriously, I am in favor of adding such detail in a semantic way. If we all do

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16. Aug 2020, at 01:06, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Having said that, though, I'd also agree with you that lice is a "health" > issue, so healthcare= seems a better option. +1, while not actually dangerous in most cases (transmission of other diseases is possible

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Sun, 16 Aug 2020 at 06:16, Lisbeth Salander wrote: > The only reason I even proposed healthcare is because, well, it *is* a > hygiene and health problem... and both amenity and shop seemed too > generic. > I did just have a thought, remembering that a while ago a new tag went through for the

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 17:31, Peter Elderson wrote: > > a continuous line of evenly spaced trees at both sides, sometimes also in the > middle, sometimes double or triple rows at each side, often with a separately > lined cycleway and tree_lined ditches. thank you for

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Green alley

2020-08-15 Thread - -
Hi all, I'd like to revive an old proposal, namely the "*Green alley*". Description: A green alley is a service alley that a group of local residents embellish with vegetation, such as trees, vines and flowers. This collective effort results in a better quality of life for residents in addition

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 17:33, Arne Johannessen wrote: > > Therefore, the tunnel's name is the primary name for that particular way, and > thus belongs into the name=* tag. > > The full name tagging for a road tunnel should usually look like this: > > name=The Tunnel >

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 19:12, Paul Allen wrote: > > If we decide that > we want to tag such things in the first place. as there was significant discussion how to tag them, it doesn’t seem that not mapping them is an option we still have to discuss Cheers Martin

Re: [Tagging] Tagging specialized head lice removal salons

2020-08-15 Thread Lisbeth Salander
On Fri, 14 Aug 2020, Paul Allen wrote: Yeah, we try to avoid putting two top-level tags on the same object because of nasal demons: http://catb.org/jargon/html/N/nasal-demons.html That's awfully pessimistic, but I see your point. I suppose having some hairdressers rendered as generic

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-15 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 17:05, Steve Doerr wrote: > On 12/08/2020 19:27, Paul Allen wrote: > > I would interpret 'Collects', 'Issues', 'Spreads', and possibly 'Sinks' as > verbs in the third person singular, rather than plural nouns. > That's a bit of an issue, although I think you've included

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Had a look at http://www.skilifts.org/old/glossary.htm, came up with : Aerialway:station=top_terminal, mid_terminal, bottom_terminal Yves ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-15 Thread Steve Doerr
On 12/08/2020 19:27, Paul Allen wrote: e source of a river is defined by one of the following terms: Collects- where the source is a bog or a marsh Spring- where the source is a natural spring Issues- where the source is an emission from an agricultural drain, or where the streamre-emerges from

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Interesting: https://pistetopowder.com/the-new-schindlergratbahn-lift/ Quote: Facts & Figures Bottom station: 2,035 m Middle station: 2,643 m Mountain station: 2,579 OK, maybe 'head' is not ideal, but I think it's worth to find something else than 'upper' Yves Le 15 août 2020 13:37:31

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread Arne Johannessen
dktue wrote: > Am 15.08.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: >> [...] For all of our common usecases, mapping the way through the tunnel and >> indicating it is inside a tunnel is sufficient, that’s why we do not map >> them in greater detail so far). An implicit tunnel is considered

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Peter Elderson
Nederland has an awful lot of ways, waterways, railways, rivers, parkings, churchyards, and other linear and area features which are lined with a row of trees. And if I say a row of trees, think of 10 Km almost straight with a continuous line of evenly spaced trees at both sides, sometimes also in

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
Am 15.08.2020 um 15:31 schrieb Colin Smale: On 2020-08-15 15:15, dktue wrote: The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone >> On 15. Aug 2020, at 13:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging >> wrote: > I oppose such potential removal here is an example: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highways this is maybe not bad as a general overview, but then it duplicates significant part of the information

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 13:47, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging > wrote: > > I oppose such potential removal referring to which page? Cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Waterway equivalent of noexit=yes?

2020-08-15 Thread Paul Allen
On Sat, 15 Aug 2020 at 02:36, Tod Fitch wrote: > > One question I have on this is how much are the OS maps tailored to the UK > environment? > The OS maps of the UK are very much tailored to the UK environment. I don't know if they are, or ever were, responsible for mapping portions of the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
On 2020-08-15 15:15, dktue wrote: > The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" > but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names > of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable because it almost > all cases people can

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
The main thing is that people often refer to "Talstation" and "Bergstation" but this information is not machine-readeable but mostly encoded in the names of the stations. My goal ist to make this machine-readeable because it almost all cases people can refer to it even if they do not know the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
It seems we can't even agree on what question to ask an "expert". @dktue I think you started this discussion... What was your intention at the time? Was it "how do we identify top/bottom stations on a cable car"? If you ask an "expert" you might get an answer involving the project numbers for the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Yves
Maybe (as always here) we are too few specialists on this list to find the right values. I know of two forum funivie.org and remontées-mécaniques.net that specialize in the field, but in Italian and French. Does anybody know of a similar community, but English speaking? Maybe we could have good

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
For me both schemes would be fine. I have no problem using "lower", "upper" and "mid" even if the upper station is lower than some mid stations. The definition from the wiki will then still explain how to tag it and it's a rare case where the mapper probably will look for the definition in the

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Colin Smale
Yes, I object to the specific values, as I (and others) said earlier. The use of "base" and "head" is not intuitive and will lead to confusion and errors amongst non-fluent English speakers. More basic words like "top" and "bottom", or maybe "upper" and "lower", are preferable. You can/should

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
As long as it explicitly notes that  name and tunnel:name may be the same I am ok with that 15 Aug 2020, 12:19 by em...@daniel-korn.de: > Am 15.08.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: > >> IMHO a tunnel is more than the way through it, the ventilation shafts, >> escape ways, also arguably

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
I oppose such potential removal 15 Aug 2020, 12:47 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> >> would suggest to create a single wiki page for tree-lined road mapping, so >> that we have one place where we describe the three

Re: [Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
To make in unambiguous, the definition would then be:     aerialway:station=base for the station at an end of the aerialway with the lower altitude,     aerialway:station=head for the station at the opposite end of the aerialway (hence with a higher altitude) and     aerialway:station=mid

[Tagging] Antwort: Re: Antwort: Re: Aerialway stations

2020-08-15 Thread Werner . Haag
Hi, it was mentioned, we have many aerialways in Tyrol and there are really cases where the mid station is the one with the highest altitude. I found an example ("Schindlergratbahn", base 2035 m, mid 2643 m , head 2579 m, see link ). So i think, the second scheme with base, mid, head could be

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > would suggest to create a single wiki page for tree-lined road mapping, so > that we have one place where we describe the three different approaches for > mapping them. we have one place (the wiki) and the possible

Re: [Tagging] new page for tree_lined=*

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 07:32, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > I do see these issues with adding sidewalks and cycle paths, where we have a > similar choice between mapping as separate objects or as road property. it is often perceived as an either or choice, but there is no

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread dktue
Am 15.08.2020 um 11:18 schrieb Martin Koppenhoefer: IMHO a tunnel is more than the way through it, the ventilation shafts, escape ways, also arguably all the tubes, could be considered „the tunnel“. The reason it is not done typically is that these features aren’t very visible (mostly

Re: [Tagging] bridge:name and tunnel:name

2020-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 15. Aug 2020, at 01:21, Arne Johannessen wrote: > > That's precisely why man_made=tunnel is so rare. IMHO a tunnel is more than the way through it, the ventilation shafts, escape ways, also arguably all the tubes, could be considered „the tunnel“. The reason it is