Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Yves via Tagging
"Please bear in mind that quite a lot of them can be re-tagged automatically" Can you give a single example of similar automatic re-tagging in the past ? Yves___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Georg
Dear all, martianfreeloader wrote Tue Sep 20 2022 20:59:07 GMT+0200 But yes, you're totally right, it will still be a considerable task to > re-tag all the 2k via ferratas, 3k climbing routes and ~20k difficult > hikes. Please bear in mind that quite a lot of them can be re-tagged

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Refine departures board tagging

2022-09-20 Thread Dimitar
Hello all, Following the rejection of my previous proposal, I've created a new proposal. It proposes to deprecate passenger_information_display and introduces new keys which can be used to add additional information about the departures boards.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - site_type=defensive_settlement

2022-09-20 Thread Anne-Karoline Distel
There are apps for that. ;-) For trees, I mean. But thanks for adding them anyway. Anne On 20/09/2022 20:03, martianfreeloader wrote: I agree. We have loads of tags that only mappers with special knowledge can use correctly (just dive into the world of railways). This doesn't mean these tags

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Yves via Tagging
Tens of thousand in remote areas, where contributors are scarce, just to change sac_scale=demanding_mountain_hiking to highway=demanding_mountain_hiking_alias, I don't see this going to get a lot of support. I'm also afraid that would put a lot of strain on a relatively small community of

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - site_type=defensive_settlement

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
I agree. We have loads of tags that only mappers with special knowledge can use correctly (just dive into the world of railways). This doesn't mean these tags shouldn't used by those who know what they're doing. When it comes to trees, I'm a quite "ordinary" mapper. I have no idea how to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Peter Elderson
Introducing a new highway value to replace rather common existing values can only succeed if the community agrees AND significant data users and renderers confirm they can and will handle it, AND local communities commit to implement it massively. And that is, assuming consensus is reached and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
Nope, didn't forget about that. My point was rather that in case the community decides the discussed primary-tag distinction is favourable, it would be the least effort for us is to keep highway=path for the vast majority of ways (12 million) instead of changing them all to highway=easy_path

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Yves via Tagging
Le 20 septembre 2022 19:04:59 GMT+02:00, martianfreeloader a écrit : > >How about this: > >- keep highway=path for everything that can be walked by normal people (this >means we don't need to re-tag millions of ways) >- introduce a new tag highway=demanding path for everything else. > I

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - site_type=defensive_settlement

2022-09-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20 Sep 2022, at 18:07, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > > This proposed tag would be used for much less well known sites. How should > ordinary mappers determine if a ruin is an old fort or a fortified settlement > or a an ancient prison? either there will be a sign

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
Hi Georg, I mostly agree, except in one point: I totally did have steep mountainous paths in mind in the definition of highway=path, as long as regular people can walk them. I think your highway=demanding_path tag instead of highway=scramble is a great idea! How about this: - keep

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - site_type=defensive_settlement

2022-09-20 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re “ it makes a differences whether the structure results in a self-imposed isolation or isolation created by an adversary party.” How can a non-archeologist determine the initial purpose of an archeological site? For example, Machu Picchu is a very famous site in Peru which has been extensively

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Georg
Dear all, Peter wrote Tue Sep 20 2022 14:02:24 GMT+0200 This would mean that there is a new primary tag `highway=scramble` which makes some currently existing primary tags obsolete: 1) `highway=via_ferrata` gets replaced by `highway=scramble + scramble=via_ferrata` 2) `climbing=route` gets

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Georg
Dear all, martianfreeloader, wrote Tue Sep 20 2022 10:52:06 GMT+0200 I think if something is tagged highway=path then data consumers should be able to expect that regular people can walk on it without having to look at an ever growing zoo of secondary tags. > ... I think a new generic highway=

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Peter Elderson
Mvg Peter Elderson > Op 20 sep. 2022 om 13:49 heeft martianfreeloader > het volgende geschreven: > > This would mean that there is a new primary tag `highway=scramble` which > makes some currently existing primary tags obsolete: > 1) `highway=via_ferrata` gets replaced by `highway=scramble

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - site_type=defensive_settlement

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
Hi Anne, Thanks for the proposal. I've left a comment on the wiki talk page. On 18/09/2022 12:39, Anne-Karoline Distel wrote: Hello everyone, I'm proposing to introduce a new sub class of (archaeological) site types "defensive settlement":

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
Yes, what I have in mind is a new primary tag: `highway=scramble` with secondary tags like `scramble=via_ferrata` `scramble=climbing` `scramble=alpine_hiking` etc. Tertiary tags would be: `via_ferrate_scale=*` `climbing:grade:uiaa=*` `sac_scale=*` The secondary tags would be orthogonal. In

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 20 Sep 2022, at 10:56, martianfreeloader > wrote: > > This would encompass > - via ferratas > - demanding or dangerous hikes > - climbing routes > - anything else? > > To me, highway=scramble seems a good solution for this, but I'm not a native > English speaker, so

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - highway=scramble

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
I think if something is tagged highway=path then data consumers should be able to expect that regular people can walk on it without having to look at an ever growing zoo of secondary tags. Data consumers, like all of us, have limited capacity. We make their lives much easier if primary tags

Re: [Tagging] Literal translation of street names

2022-09-20 Thread martianfreeloader
I agree with Patrick, Niels, Sebastian and Anne. Tag names in other languages only if at least one of these is true: - it's an *official* translation by the competent authority (e. g. the municipality) - or the name is in *common use* - or it's a *documented historical* name in another