Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

On Oct 10, 2022, at 12:29 PM, Tom Pfeifer wrote: > On 10.10.2022 17:01, Marc_marc wrote: >> Le 10.10.22 à 10:54, Tom Pfeifer a écrit : >>> Sometimes such changes can even have technical reasons >> >> this does not change the problem: if you have a banknote that >> is not accepted by the vending

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

On Oct 10, 2022, at 3:22 PM, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: >> Don't think it really needs anything more than you said earlier: >> >> amenity=fountain + fountain=decorative / utility / drinking >> >> should cover it? Graeme, no, this isn't enough, as it oversimplifies too much. > No, this is

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

пн, 10 окт. 2022 г., 22:31 Marc_marc : > when a =yes tag has different characteristics, > it is easy to add values for the different characteristics > unisexx=segregated unisexx=not-segregated > and given the existence of 2 meanings according to the contributors, > the yes value will have to be

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

Don't think it really needs anything more than you said earlier: amenity=fountain + fountain=decorative / utility / drinking should cover it? No, this is not enough to cover the features that are currently tagged, thus this would be a regression. Currently you can tag nasone, toret,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 at 01:15, Marc_marc wrote: > > Standardization is a good thing for quality but it is often a difficult > exercise, especially when the previous tags mix several pieces of > information into one, as is the case here > Especially when you consider that we now have at least 7

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

On Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 19:19, Davidoskky via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Would simply style work? > Don't think it really needs anything more than you said earlier: amenity=fountain + fountain=decorative / utility / drinking should cover it? Thanks Graeme

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

Am Mo., 10. Okt. 2022 um 19:42 Uhr schrieb Amanda McCann : > > I'm a native English speaker, and I agree! I also wrote that part of the wiki > (years ago). I think some non-native speakers treated `unisex=yes` as meaning > “gender segregated but male & female are available”, i.e. read that

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Approved - migration to use belarusian as default language in Belarus for tagging

Hey Proposal to use belarusian as default language in Belarus for tagging were approved by majority: (belarusian) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Be:Belarus_language_issues/Migration_proposal next steps regarding proposal: - update documentation - notify major users about new rules - in

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

>I think you're joking about the lemonade, but here's the world's >largestfountain drink cup, now mapped in OSM: Yes, I thought I was joking, but now you tell me it is possible!  LOL Regards,Peter(PeterPan99) On Monday, 10 October 2022 at 20:25:53 BST, Minh Nguyen wrote: Vào lúc

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

On 10.10.2022 17:01, Marc_marc wrote: > Le 10.10.22 à 10:54, Tom Pfeifer a écrit : >> Sometimes such changes can even have technical reasons > > this does not change the problem: if you have a banknote that > is not accepted by the vending machine, you cannot buy your ticket, > no matter if it is

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

Le 10.10.22 à 19:37, Amanda McCann a écrit : some non-native speakers treated `unisex=yes` as meaning “gender segregated but male & female are available” as a non-English speaker, I understand unisex as "possible for both", without any information on whether it will be segregated or not.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

Vào lúc 03:08 2022-10-09, Peter Neale via Tagging đã viết: A tap is a device to control the flow of whatever liquid (or gas, I suppose) is coming out.  Potable water, non-potable water; lemonade; petrol (gasoline), Oxygen, whatever... I think you're joking about the lemonade, but here's

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

Term "unisex" is obvious for me (I am not a native English speaker), but in JOSM validator historically has been rule "replace female=yes & male=yes to unisex=yes". пн, 10 окт. 2022 г., 21:56 martianfreeloader : > Hi Amanda, > > No. > > What puzzles non-native speakers (including myself) is that

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

Hi Amanda, No. What puzzles non-native speakers (including myself) is that English has a clear distinction between sex and gender (other than, for example, German). Yet, the term "unisex" (contains the word "sex") is used to designate a situation in the "gender" category, not sex. Can you

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

Do you know if a tag already exist to describe the presence   of a tap in a building ? a tap like the one used in man_made=water_tap ? I'm not exactly sure what it is describing, I should contact the people who added those tags... I assume in the case of fuel stations it means there is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Refine departures board tagging

Le 10.10.22 à 19:58, Dimitar a écrit : |Voting has started for Refine departures board tagging. https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Refine_departures_board_tagging sorry but in the deluge of proposals, I missed the RFC of this 2nd version. but frankly I don't understand :

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

Le 10.10.22 à 19:55, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit : (BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347 uses while man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here) I have been looking at the

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Refine departures board tagging

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Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

On 10/10/22 18:25, Marc_marc wrote: of course, I share your opinion since it breaks the tag chain system : a sub-tag rafines the "upper" tag which must therefore be present. it is the expression that at least one tag is missing to describe the common characteristic between these

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

(BTW, I want to document existing tagging here and tap=yes has 347 uses while man_made=water_tap 23 711 uses - though if someone wants to make proposal they are welcome, tagging scheme is quite rotten here) I have been looking at the current uses of tap=* and water_tap=* as I'm planning to

Re: [Tagging] Better term for unisex

On Thu, 06 Oct 2022 20:05 +02:00, Zeke Farwell wrote: > The proposal currently states: >> Meaning of the unisex =yes >> is currently unclear: >> >> * gender neutral facility (as the "unisex" term in English); or >> * facility that accessible

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

Le 10.10.22 à 18:07, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit : having fountain=* as subtag of amenity=drinking_water does not look like a good solution to me of course, I share your opinion since it breaks the tag chain system : a sub-tag rafines the "upper" tag which must therefore be present. it is

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

It is true that OpenStreetMap allows for any tag you like, but this isn’t meant to encourage you to devalue established tags by using them differently from how they are typically used. What would be the benefit you expect from such retagging? This is not something I am suggesting; this is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

Unification of tags allows more simple usage source data, e.g leisure = pitch allows rendering of all pitches, but lots of tags as leisure=tennis_court, leisure = baseball_playground, leisure = football_ground is more difficult to use. пн, 10 окт. 2022 г., 18:15 Marc_marc : > Le 09.10.22 à

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

Le 10.10.22 à 10:54, Tom Pfeifer a écrit : Accepting a particular coin or banknote is among short-living business policies that can change frequently and is often harder to observe than e.g. opening_hours. maybe it's a cultural difference: the shops I know with a sign informing about this

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

Le 09.10.22 à 09:37, Martin Koppenhoefer a écrit : Why do people have to “deprecate” other people’s tags when they introduce new ones with different semantics? to avoid 42 schemas https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/standards.png Standardization is a good thing for quality but it is often a

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

Oct 10, 2022, 15:45 by marc_m...@mailo.com: I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water > > how can you have a sub-tag

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

>So "water tap" is referring only to control mechanism that enables user to >start water flow?>(and sometimes also stop water flow) >Not to entire water delivery apparatus? Yes!, Just like my house HAS a door (which controls entry and leaving), but my house IS_NOT a door. So a water-delivery

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

sent from a phone > On 10 Oct 2022, at 15:34, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Do we tag > > the waste receptacle > > or > > the tap > > or > > the drinking fountain > > ?? Which is the feature primarily there for? To me that is the drinking > fountain. I'd leave out the tap

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

sent from a phone > On 10 Oct 2022, at 09:12, Davidoskky via Tagging > wrote: > > I like this, but I'd remove amenity=drinking_water rather than > drinking_water=yes, because you _should_ add the tag amenity=fountain. this would be completely inconsistent with the usage of the

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water how can you have a sub-tag fountain=* without a main tag *=fountain ? next time I map one, I 'll use

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

On 10/10/22 08:20, stevea wrote: I continue to call "bubblers" (although I personally call them "drinking fountains") emitting a jot of water on button press "water taps," as it is that button press that makes them a "tap." Yes, they are both drinking fountains / bubblers, too, as well as

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bench: replace seats by capacity

Le 10.10.22 à 14:07, Matija Nalis a écrit : (i.e. are we talking about how many thinly 3 years olds_or_ have super-obese adults can fit there?) As with all slightly subjective values, at best an average use is given. example: a path (too narrow for for a car of average width) is sometimes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

On 10/10/22 11:42, stevea wrote: Such "rules" would be somewhere in the realm of the "policy" of the merchant (or perhaps government agency). On Oct 9, 2022, at 5:25 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: Mon, 10 Oct 2022 at 10:12, stevea wrote: Yes, I'm glad to hear this: somebody refusing a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bench: replace seats by capacity

Hi Mitja, I've drafted two opposing proposals on whether capacity/seats should be tagged on benches without a functional separation into seats or not. The purpose is to find out if there is a community consensus on this question. "Sure, it's fine to tag capacity, even if there is now

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bench: replace seats by capacity

On Wed, 5 Oct 2022 14:20:09 +0200 (CEST), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > This revert makes sense to me. > > BTW, one may count both seats and capacity on benches, why not One might even decide to tag https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:length instead (or in addition) to `seats`,

Re: [Tagging] Is it man_made=water_tap?

On Thu, 29 Sep 2022 20:13:00 -0700, stevea wrote: > Water "tap" implies at least some (even if crude) control of the flow. And if one wants to define exactly how that flow is controlled, there is: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:handle and other tags, like:

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

Oct 10, 2022, 11:57 by illiamarchenk...@gmail.com: > > > вс, 9 окт. 2022 г., 9:50 Warin <> 61sundow...@gmail.com> >: > >> On 8/10/22 20:49, Illia Marchenko wrote: >> > Water outlets for public or customer use (generic tagging). >> > >> >>

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

In Australia it would be unusual to find a drinking fountain without a tap to stop the flow when a person is not drinking. I think it could be illegal such is the scarcity of water. Thus, I believe that a world wide default should be avoided in favour of local ones or enforcing explicit

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

On 10/10/22 20:55, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: If it was fitted with a shower .. then it becomes a shower. If around the pipe on which the tap is present is fitted a fountain .. then it becomes a fountain. Nit picking: Oxygen is a gas .. under 'normal' conditions. Better to use the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

The proposal includes advice to only use this tag in shops that don't accept all denominations. For vending machines, on the other hand, it is very common to not accept all denominations, so the tag should/can always be added. Kind regards Michael

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Water outlet

вс, 9 окт. 2022 г., 9:50 Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com>: > On 8/10/22 20:49, Illia Marchenko wrote: > > Water outlets for public or customer use (generic tagging). > > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Proposed_features/Water_outlet > > Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

If it was fitted with a shower .. then it becomes a shower. If around the pipe on which the tap is present is fitted a fountain .. then it becomes a fountain. Nit picking: Oxygen is a gas .. under 'normal' conditions. Better to use the term fluid rather than liquid. I would expect the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Require proposal announcements to be made on the new forum instead of the mailing list

Hi, On 09.10.22 11:36, Cartographer10 via Tagging wrote: Voting has started for "Require proposal announcements to be made on the new forum instead of the mailing list." I think this proposal is not very well thought out. It's long rant about how great the new forum is and super big the

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

On 9/10/22 21:08, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote: No, it would not "turn them into taps", but it WOULD mean that a tap is present as part of the structure of the device.  "amenity=drinking_water; tap=yes". If something is fitted with a tap on its outlet .. it is then a tap. If it was fitted

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Training

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[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Training

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Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

water_tap=yes/no already exist and I see no value to change from water_tap=* to tap=* I cannot find water_tap=* on the wiki, anyway taginfo shows 166 elements tagged as water_tap=* and 470 tagged as tap=*. I also find that you spread yourself too thinly by talking about ideas that you

Re: [Tagging] RFC - A broad look at fountains

On 9/10/22 21:49, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Am So., 9. Okt. 2022 um 12:22 Uhr schrieb Minh Nguyen : drinking_water=no is already approved for non-potable water, and there are non-Boolean values and drinking_water:legal=* if you'd like to split hairs. +1 I'd

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

Do you really think that we would benefit from deprecation proposal? (general opinion seems clear to me, but I can confirm that if you really want...) Oct 10, 2022, 09:57 by 61sundow...@gmail.com: > I oppose depreciation of the tag. > > > I would support depreciation of all non-decorative

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

Accepting a particular coin or banknote is among short-living business policies that can change frequently and is often harder to observe than e.g. opening_hours. Thus they are difficult to maintain and likely to be outdated. In my opinion, they should not be in the OSM database in general.

Re: [Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

Le 10.10.22 à 09:49, Davidoskky via Tagging a écrit : Introduction of the generic value fountain=utility, that describes the fountain as non-decorative. it's vague and overlap drinking at least I'm unsure fountain:style is the best name for the key to describe those fountains; if you have a

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

I agree, this discussion totally seems to be off topic. Please start a new thread for it and don't spam this one with numerous and lengthy emails. Cheers. On 10/10/2022 09:56, Davidoskky via Tagging wrote: question: is it legal in the EU not to accept certain types of Euronotes? Just

Re: [Tagging] Deprecation proposal: man_made=drinking_fountain

I oppose depreciation of the tag. I would support depreciation of all non-decorative 'fountains'. On 10/10/22 07:56, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: For now I 1) notified people who used added this tag more than once (currently mapped man_made=drinking_fountain are counted) See

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Payment denominations

question: is it legal in the EU not to accept certain types of Euronotes? Just chiming in since I'm not really interested in this proposal and I will not vote. It makes more sense to ask whether it is widespread in the EU not to accept certain types of notes rather than if it is legal.

[Tagging] RFC - More sensible values for fountain=*

Hello, in this message https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2022-October/065805.html I proposed two different ways to go about the inability to well describe features that provide water through pipes. The first idea proposed was focusing on using the subtag fountain=* and

Re: [Tagging] relevance of water taps as opposed to fountains

Similarly the tap that is part of a drinking fountain cannot represent the whole fountain, hence it shouldn’t be in “competition” with the fountain tag, it could be added as a property like tap=* but adding it as man_made to the amenity (which is supposed to represent the whole feature) would

Re: [Tagging] Apparently bubblers emitting jet of water on buton press are water taps

I started this thread to confirm/reject listing https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Bubbler.jpg as man_made=water_tap fountain=bubbler drinking_water=yes amenity=drinking_water replace man_made=water_tap with tap=yes and I subscribe. Also remove the redundant drinking_water=yes, it is