Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread stevea
On Apr 16, 2023, at 3:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> On 16 Apr 2023, at 23:28, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging >> wrote: >> If the operator tag is missing and the owner tag is present, isn't it the >> general assumption that the owner is also the operator -- i.e. that the >> owner

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread António Madeira
I'm mainly focusing on one of the "rules" of OpenStreetMap: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don't_map_temporary_events_and_temporary_features A scratching or other kind of paintings on walls or public equipments tend to be temporary. A notable graffiti tends to: - originate

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 16 Apr 2023, at 23:28, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging > wrote: > > If the operator tag is missing and the owner tag is present, isn't it the > general assumption that the owner is also the operator -- i.e. that the owner > information is a relevant substitute for the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread stevea
On Apr 16, 2023, at 2:23 PM, Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging wrote: > > On 16.04.2023 21:40, stevea wrote: >>> Isn't it a general assumption for everything that the owner is the operator >>> by default? I'm not saying "isn't it always true", but isn't that generally >>> the assumption if no

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 16.04.2023 21:40, stevea wrote: Isn't it a general assumption for everything that the owner is the operator by default? I'm not saying "isn't it always true", but isn't that generally the assumption if no other information is presented? An obviously dangerous slope to slip down here and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Greg Troxel
stevea writes: >> What is a point problem? > > Mmm, that IS a good question. Sorry, I meant that the proposal is a point solution, meaning one that applies to a very narrow view of the problem. Basically I meant what stevea just said. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread stevea
I wish to remain restrained in my reply here. > Isn't it a general assumption for everything that the owner is the operator > by default? I'm not saying "isn't it always true", but isn't that generally > the assumption if no other information is presented? An obviously dangerous slope to slip

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging
On 16.04.2023 16:55, Greg Troxel wrote: If we look at this from a data perspective, the most important information for us to capture /today/ is which public entity type owns the road and put this in the ownership tag. The specific entity can be derived geographically with probably 100%

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/16/23 ats 19:07, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: IMHO according to the current guidelines not, but they should be amended. At the moment I am interested exclusively in documenting the use of 'artwork_type=graffiti', a previously undocumented but widely used tag. [1] Maybe in the future I

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am So., 16. Apr. 2023 um 17:29 Uhr schrieb Daniel Capilla < dcapil...@gmail.com>: > On 4/16/23 at 16:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > nobody has yet responded to the question about scratchings > > The wiki says that "A mural is any piece of artwork painted or applied > directly on a wall,

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Matija Nalis
On Sat, 15 Apr 2023 20:51:57 +0200 (CEST), Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > why only "notable"? I guess it might be because otherwise one might encourage putting "tourism=artwork" + "artwork_type=graffiti" every few meters on any random piece of street furniture, bridge, walls, subways,

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/16/23 at 16:13, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: nobody has yet responded to the question about scratchings The wiki says that "A mural is any piece of artwork painted or applied directly on a wall, ceiling or other large permanent surface". IMHO scratchings could be considered murals

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Daniel Capilla
On 4/15/23 at 20:51, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: why only "notable"?  On 4/16/23 at 15:59,  António Madeira via Tagging wrote: I believe it has to do with its longevity and legality. Normally, notable art works in the streets are allowed by the city authorities and thus last

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think anything two dimensional on a wall and with the purpose of creating an art piece is a mural. We can add a new tag like art_technique=scratching, cleaning, spray_paint, etc.. There is a fuzzy border into graffiti, where the purpose is for little rebels without a cause to have their tags be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Jens Glad Balchen via Tagging writes: > I don't know how this works in other countries. The way it works here > is that the road owner contracts someone to do stuff, that is, to > actually go out and put down asphalt, cut vegetation, sweep debris, > clear snow, fix signage, etc. The road owner

Re: [Tagging] Tagging type of ownership of a road

2023-04-16 Thread Greg Troxel
Tod Fitch writes: > Greg mentions that in his part of the US the government doesn’t own > the land along the highway. I don’t believe that is true for most of > the US. The “right of way” includes a lot more land than just where > the pavement is located. It includes all land that had to be

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
nobody has yet responded to the question about scratchings, similarly here is an article about a monumental and recognized artwork created by cleaning: https://publicdelivery.org/william-kentridge-rome/ The article calls it a "mural" in the title, in osm it wouldn't currently be, because our

Re: [Tagging] Difference between graffiti and mural

2023-04-16 Thread António Madeira
I believe it has to do with its longevity and legality. Normally, notable art works in the streets are allowed by the city authorities and thus last longer. Minor graffiti tends to disappear, either by removal or overlapped by other graffiti/paint/whatever. Regards, António. Às 19:51 de