Good morning,
I had contact to a few devs for 3D topic on OSM and so I collected all
together to start a discussion on how we can getting higher resolution
models on OSM and how to get a higher usage.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/3D_Development/Modelling
Feel free to join the
Dear Alexander,
I'm not sure if this is the right media to motivate semantic OSM focused
scientists for a publication.
If you have a look at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Research
you can get a few contacts, that are related to RDF and OSM.
regards
Matthias
Hi Tom, just want to say thank you for reanimate old RFCs :-)
regards
Matthias
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Hi Paul, normally this is not a problem as long as you point out, that
there are changes to an existing tag. When ju just extend it, it is very
simple. More difficult is it when you change the functionality e.g. move
highway=street_lampt to amenity=street_lamp. In this cases you have to
be
We talked about improving/changing the proposal process a few weeks ago
to bypass problems like
*people dislike voting chause of it's very limited nature
*it should be a more 'show your design and improve it together with
others' (as already said by others).
*make it media indipendend so
Inspired by the discussion on the Successful proposal proposal
discussion I restarted the discussion about improving the map features
management on the german forums:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9604
Everybody feel free to join the discussion :)
Matthias
We identified the problem on the german mailinglist:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9586
Matthias
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As requested here:
http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=9387
I forward the link to this proposal:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Second_opinion_correctness_survey
The author is not monitoring this list so please use the wiki talk page
or the forum instead.
Yes it is:
http://josm.openstreetmap.de/wiki/Presets
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Thanks for your proposal Peter :)
Do you like to create a JOSM preset, so that the dev team might
integrate the new feature in the next stable release?
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Am 17.09.2010 02:21, schrieb M∡rtin Koppenhoefer:
I'd say that the mailing list is somehow more important, but the forum
people might think the same. For me that's not a problem, and who
wants can read the ml online in forum style;-)
Therefore I suggest the wiki as 'neutral' plattform that
Hi Andrew,
nice job you are working on :)
We have already start_date=*,end_date=* I guess that fits your needs, right?
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:start_date
Are there any other aspects you are looking tags for?
regards
Matthias
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Oh sorry was my mistake. Personaly I would preffer a namespace so
construction:start_date instead of construction_start_date
There are still other ideas how to model this 'lifecylce':
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Comparison_of_life_cycle_concepts
Matthias
Am 17.09.2010 09:09, schrieb John Smith:
2010/9/17 Matthias Meißerdig...@arcor.de:
Therefore I suggest the wiki as 'neutral' plattform that allows everybody to
monitor changes and to do colloborate work (even if its bad for discussion
that has to take place somewhere else)
The wiki isn't
Am 16.09.2010 19:19, schrieb John Smith:
The problem here is one of telling others what tags you are using, how
else will they become well established?
Yes an important aspect but dont we want to promote tags with a good
lifecycle that avoids ohers to change in near future just cause it
Hi Martin,
you spot exactly the point. There are a few tags in different tagging
pages that have one of this: no discussion, not wellknown, unvoted
I started a topic back in August with the aim to clean the wiki:
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/003518.html
but
Nice aspects Pieren,
I agree your point of view concerning votes and how decissions were
taken by (a smal part of) the community.
Ok so your idea seem to be very familar to this idea 'garage'/incubator
with the aim to discuss an feature idea more to vote on it?
Yes voting is not
Hi, there were no more ideas till somebody mentioned, that the voting
process cant be repaired.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/004023.html
Can anybody tell me why it cant be repaired or how we should manage the
Map feature list instead to avoid a tagging chaos? :)
Realy great, will help to cool down some discussions and very useful for
developers to see what is important/supported.
Matthias
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Is there any reason why you discuss this tag using this title?
This is anoying cause my filter dont match.
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multitude of options to choose from
Yes ok but the problem with this options is that the brainstorming
process is so distributed and for every channel you need logon etc. For
me for example I dont like mailinglists that much just cause of the push
communication form.
So I thaught that
Ok this seem to be a problem but again, is this related in some way with
'Non proposed features'?
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Some people try to sneak in features to the main feature list (hence
violating the community rules that only widely accepted and in-use
features should be added), but mostly this will not succeed,
especially when they are disputed features, because someone will
remove them. I don't see a point in
Sry I don't understand your point. If you limit a sports shop saying
sports=football it is clear that he spots on football related things
only, right?
Matthias
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If you procedd posting culvert related mails under this general topic
nodoby will be able to find them in the future. So please return to the
right discussion topic.
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Hi, John Smith showed me, that it would be good to discuss the usage of
the {{no proposal}} template even if I thought that I allready talked
about here
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2010-August/003518.html
This template should show esp. newcommers that the feature isn't
Why do such pages need to be tagged as such?
Cause the mentioned facts hit. So we can have an overview tool to manage
the map feature list better.
Why is it so important that there is any proposal page?
It's not. As explained on the template page itself we try to give the
wiki an better
Come on let's keep emotions out of here ;)
It doesn't seem like you've thought this through very well, nor
developed this proposal in a team and your suggestion seems to be in
conflict and you don't have a very clear proposal page so you better
tag your own page as having no proposal, it seems
I not sure if this has anything todo more with proposed features...
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Ok but IMHO this channel should be usable for the most people and allow
a team based working right? So a wiki is good, isn't it?
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Yes in some way but I pointed on thinks that are in my opinion the
problem. There might be others that I don't see, right?
You write in the wiki that it is unable to repair it and spot on a
working group.
I think this will be a nice idea even if it might result in a discussion
if this
Well but OSM offers the feature=val1;val2;val3 modelling possibility,
that is even supported by JOSM, right?
But feel free to add your suggestion to the wikipage so all can see.
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I added an hint on
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:No_proposal explaining why a
page had been labeled as no proposal.
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1. So what is your idea? What do you think of how it can be improved?
2. Yes of course, otherwise I wouldn't ask here ;) But once again,
this is not a good/bad feature discussion. It's just the question of new
and may be problematic features should be taken back to /proposed for
further
Hi everybody,
as I noted in my diary, the forums,...
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/!i!/diary/11477
I would like to improve the features page and other wiki pages around.
Therefore I asked at the talk page
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request
I checked
Well, this idea is not to telling you do's and dont's, it's just to
manage ideas.
IMHO the current process lacks a few details that are mentioned (and can
be discussed by everyone here:
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features#Cleanup_Request
As some of you might noted with
Well I'm not talking about undoing very common features but about a few
new ones that seemed to be a bad design (even if I like the idea to get
a feature e.g. for OFFICE=*). For fine tuning is the /Proposed list, right?
Yes soft moderation by the community but therefore the community needs
But OSM is more than just the major lists (see people like me that sign
on/off lists to avoid to much mails). As I said it would be a good idea
to feature our proposal incubator a little bit more ;) I'm pretty sure
if the users have no Push but a Pop media (e.g. the weekly newsletters)
they
Well ok might be possbile but for that reason there are other channels
e.g. forums, MLs that have their own pros and cons.
So nobody really has a problem with refactoring /Proposed, right? If so
it would be nice if you review the upcoming changes. But this will take
time cause I'm involved in
Sry @all, was my mistake, what I tried to say is that I will improve the
/proposed page (and only this one). So restyling, splitting text but
nothing on the features itself, is this ok?
Yes you can read MLs in a forum or RSS like way, but mostly you have to
be member of the mailinglist to
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