Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Hazards

2020-12-05 Thread Michael Patrick
should take that stretch of road. :-) https://bozemanmagazine.com/articles/2019/12/01/103395-sobering-reminder-montanas-fatality-marker and https://bit.ly/37FUnzZ Michael Patrick <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> Viru

Re: [Tagging] Proposal to change key:man_made to key:human_made

2020-11-15 Thread Michael Patrick
entory the various collections by many iterations of queries,to assess the impact of a replacement change, but it would be impossible to know for sure if those results were correct. Michael Patrick > <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-13 Thread Michael Patrick
> I am surprised nobody has suggested a pondness or lakicity scale yet. > It isn't unusual outside of OSM for relative percentages of the different meanings to be accounted for. For example for Great Pond ( https://www.topoquest.com/map.php?lat=44.5=-69.8=nad83=16 ) with a surface area of

Re: [Tagging] religious bias - Re: Feature Proposal - Voting - (Chapel of Rest)

2020-11-05 Thread Michael Patrick
No one has to guess or derive terms - 'chapel of rest' is a specific national-ish flavor of the more general service of 'viewing_arrangments' by the organization responsible for a funeral. The origins of 'chapel of rest ( and why that specific term was coined and used ) basically were born out

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

2020-09-27 Thread Michael Patrick
set=utf-8 > > Funeral viewing room sounds like a room where you can view the funeral. I > suspect modern ones have very large screens and nice sound effects. > > Mvg Peter Elderson > > > Op 27 sep. 2020 om 19:39 heeft woll...@posteo.de het volgende > geschreven: > > > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

2020-09-27 Thread Michael Patrick
visit', i.e. it survives round trips through google Translate. 'Chapel of Rest' seems to be one of those terms like 'Take the goat to the butcher and have the butcher butcher the animal into cuts of meat.' The location takes on the name of an ephemeral activity that occurs in it, or the entity tem

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Chapel of rest)

2020-09-24 Thread Michael Patrick
, where the open casket and reception line was right there with tables of people eating brunch ('wake')). Michael Patrick <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 130, Issue 21

2020-07-07 Thread Michael Patrick
ble: "Worldwide inventory of human settlements (urban & rural) using one global coverage of SAR data with 0.4 arcsec (~12 m) ground resolution collected by the satellites TerraSAR-X / TanDEM-X in 2011-2013." Michael Patrick <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source

Re: [Tagging] Are we mapping ground on OSM?

2020-07-05 Thread Michael Patrick
fair idea what's going on. Your mileage may vary. Michael Patrick <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_conte

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Urgent Care

2020-04-05 Thread Michael Patrick
codelists/healthcare/health-care-provider-taxonomy-code-set/ Yes, it's complicated. Most things in the real world are. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Clearer definition of tunnel ...

2020-03-23 Thread Michael Patrick
> To me a tunnel is different from a pipeline in regard of structure and building technique. Of course, we also have to consider pipelines inside of tunnels ( Thttps:// img.russianpatents.com/1165/11654510-o.jpg ) and cryogenic transmission lines which have pipelines inside of pipelines inside of

Re: [Tagging] Pumps (wells and many other things)

2020-03-19 Thread Michael Patrick
'pump' became a first order category of it's own, a technology and commodity, designed rather than a trial and error tradition. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Pumps (wells and many other things)

2020-03-18 Thread Michael Patrick
ctions how to approach building a typology for the .many other things', one at https://www.w3.org/2005/Incubator/w3pm/XGR-w3pm-20091008/#B.12 , there are similar simpler cookbooks out there. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing li

[Tagging] nomoj de internaciaj objektoj / nazwy obiektów międzynarodowych / names of international objects

2020-01-06 Thread Michael Patrick
many roots, continually incorporate words from other languages, and some die off. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 123, Issue 48

2019-12-14 Thread Michael Patrick
the various transliterations of geonames in a region. For larger scales, depending on the country, the local board may provide similar data. Reference: ( Open Access ) "A quantitative analysis of global gazetteers: Patterns of coverage for common feature types" https://www.sc

[Tagging] How to tag Seveso sites ?

2019-11-09 Thread Michael Patrick
> I was wondering how to tag Seveso sites. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Directive_2012/18/EU Read the actual directive, and drill down. Basically, it's up to each nation to decide the categorization. And if you dive further down into that, the reporting requirements may or may not give you

Re: [Tagging] Billboard or something else

2019-10-30 Thread Michael Patrick
ing sign has 'variability' of states built into the message. Ref: https://www.nema.org/Standards/Pages/Hardware-Standards-for-Dynamic-Message-Signs-with-NTCIP-Requirements.aspx https://blog.ansi.org/2017/02/dynamic-message-signs-dms-electronic-road/#gref Michael Patrick Data Ferret

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 121, Issue 97

2019-10-26 Thread Michael Patrick
nd sea, there is land, sea, and a third 'coastal', which is land and sea changing several times a day and dramatically on a monthly and annual basis. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle

2019-10-24 Thread Michael Patrick
> Subject: Re: [Tagging] Proposal: Access Aisle > > > Sorry Clifford, but these are simply footways for pedestrians and can > be > mapped as such. I don't see anything that makes it necessary for a > new tag > They aren't simple, if you've ever had to incorporate all the various design

[Tagging] Areas of bare soil (clay, silt, loam) such as badlands?

2019-10-22 Thread Michael Patrick
Reference: Badlands , Encyclopedia of Geomorphology ,http://bit.ly/2PagW8f > but this is rather specific and may not be well-known outside of North > America: 'Badlands' exist all over the world. They might have local nomenclature, but they are specific type of landform recognized by the

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - (Phone)

2019-10-07 Thread Michael Patrick
estions of someone that can see the whole elephant, they can come up with a functional meaning that covers the at least the head. There's probably no 'tagging' situation in OSM that wasn't solved by the resolution of *Electronic data interchange* (*EDI*) issues in the period between 1970 to 1998.

Re: [Tagging] Gorges, Canyons, Ravines: natural=valley or new tag?

2019-08-14 Thread Michael Patrick
e search can be helpful if you are more visually oriented: http://bit.ly/2H64zVL > ravine, gorge and canyon are synonyms They are not, sometimes, in certain parts of the world ravines and gorges are, but you can find gorges inside of canyons. Michael Patr

Re: [Tagging] shop=window(s) incorrectly deprecated in favor of craft=window_construction ?

2019-07-11 Thread Michael Patrick
s them and distributes them wholesale regionally, and retails them over the counter to individuals from their showroom. The benefits to data providers and consumers are fairly obvious. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing

[Tagging] lit=yes/no threshold

2019-07-06 Thread Michael Patrick
opic, since, like 1285, when English King Edward I forced property owners to clear highway edges of trees and shrubs. :-) Michael Patrick Geographer <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_source=link_campaign=sig-email_content=webmail_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <

Re: [Tagging] Wiki page for natural=mountain_range

2019-05-09 Thread Michael Patrick
in analysis. ( see the classic https://www.asprs.org/wp-content/uploads/pers/1993journal/sep/1993_sep_1409-1417.pdf , which validated the defining features mentioned above against the existing nomenclature, and the links on http://www0.sun.ac.za/cga/portfolio-items/terrain-analysis/ ). Mic

[Tagging] Stop the large feature madness

2019-04-18 Thread Michael Patrick
ary/ +1 on "There is no single True Name" Kenny, that was an absolutely wonderful post on New England geographies. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tag for a plateau or tableland?

2019-04-18 Thread Michael Patrick
ame server, and plateaus seem to be large areas, and mapped as points. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Stop the large feature madness

2019-04-18 Thread Michael Patrick
with them, because the world is not gonna shrink... https://www.newscientist.com/article/dn27875-earths-shrinking-crust-could-leave-us-living-on-a-water-world/ ... but you do have a point, there. :-) Michael Patrick Geographer ___ Tag

[Tagging] Stop the large feature madness

2019-04-17 Thread Michael Patrick
> ... As a rule of thumb i'd say something that can at least coarsely be > surveyed on the ground by a single mapper during a single day is > usually suitable to be mapped as a distinct named feature, provided it > is otherwise verifiable of course. ... If everyone on Earth joined OSM and

[Tagging] Tag for a plateau or tableland?

2019-04-17 Thread Michael Patrick
ssifying land forms in a particular area. There are also geologic maps sometimes available: https://catalog.data.gov/dataset/geologic-map-of-the-mount-spokane-quadrangle-spokane-county-washington-and-kootenai-and-bonner- Michael Patrick Data Ferret <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_so

Re: [Tagging] airport check in counters

2019-04-13 Thread Michael Patrick
the USA references and the coding schemes used in the rest of the world, if one wants to localize, but the differences are mostly at the level of distinguishing 'leaf tea' from 'bubble tea'. Michael Patrick Data Ferret Michael Patrick <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email_s

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Runway Holding

2019-03-31 Thread Michael Patrick
simulation environment, OSM would provide an excellent data source." - it would be 'excellent' only if it conformed to the real and virtual data models already in the world. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 113, Issue 24

2019-02-05 Thread Michael Patrick
> A 'top-down' process where some > data analyst or small team prescribes the tagging would no doubt have > resulted in a tidier and more consistent model - but it would likely > have let to a more limited one, with less mapper engagement. Moreover, > it would have embodied the cultural

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 113, Issue 23

2019-02-05 Thread Michael Patrick
>. Another insists that before betas can be mapped, we need a whole taxonomy of Greek letters, LoL! Actually, you would also need the Albanian variations of the Greek alphabet to accommodate place names, just to be thorough. :-) Michael ___

Re: [Tagging] Drain vs ditch

2019-02-02 Thread Michael Patrick
have compound words, adjectives, verbs and adverbs for a reason, and tagging schemes have equivalents. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Classification ( and symbols ) according to context ( relative importance, size, or other 'context' )

2019-01-23 Thread Michael Patrick
ber ), it works fairly well, without any reliance on arbitrary population count boundaries and nomenclature ( village, city, etc. ) based on a single European country and language. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Michael Patrick
C79.gif Seriously, this term is a great example of a regional difference. In the U.S., it's equine dental / foot care. Michael Patrick Data Ferret > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-15 Thread Michael Patrick
ons Educational, Scientific and Cultural Organization ( http://www.wmo.int/pages/prog/hwrp/publications/international_glossary/385_IGH_2012.pdf ). Frequently they will have crosswalks or otherwise note the differences and similarities between different regions and countries.

[Tagging] Creating shop=caravan

2019-01-14 Thread Michael Patrick
ommerce, and common use would indicate it should be included in parallel, but certainly not at the expense of 'caravan'. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Trailhead tagging

2019-01-11 Thread Michael Patrick
'reference' to other non-trail networks. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Quick Building tracing question...

2019-01-11 Thread Michael Patrick
very simply just by altering the layer transparency - tasks that aren't possible in JOSM. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Quick Building tracing question..

2019-01-10 Thread Michael Patrick
training manual, some of the 'key' guides now are thousands of pages long. Michael Patrick Data Ferret > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal – RFC – place=peninsula

2018-12-26 Thread Michael Patrick
> Is there an upper cut-off where things stop being a peninsula? Hmmm ... not really. And it doesn't have to be the same body of water either - the Upper and Lower Peninsula of Michigan State are isolated by the collective waters of the Great Lakes. The Iberian Peninsula in Europe, the Korean

Re: [Tagging] how to map soft story/soft storey buildings properly?

2018-12-20 Thread Michael Patrick
mplete set of characteristics.And those tags should be prefaced with something like 'GEM_soft_story' that makes it clear they are part of a set, not an end conclusion about the building's risk. And you would have to timestamp it some way to refresh it. Michael Patrick ( another kind of soft st

Re: [Tagging] Building names, historical/original owner?

2018-12-15 Thread Michael Patrick
> I have a question about `name=` and variants of names. I've been reading a lot of local history and in the architecture/history world, houses are generally named for the first resident that they were built for. E.g."Johnson house" and are referred to in this way even after many generations of

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 111, Issue 60

2018-12-09 Thread Michael Patrick
com.br/kalmablog/index.php/rede-de-dormir-tutorial-como-construir-um-redario/>. And it is a beautiful sound. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] leisure=hammock_hook (Sérgio V.)

2018-12-09 Thread Michael Patrick
he hammock_hangout, if you were to use some variant of leisure=hammock_hook, it maybe should be hammock_hooks (plural), because just a single hook available entails a less than optimum hammock experience. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-09 Thread Michael Patrick
ndent on the specifics at the endpoint). There are people in the community that are *far* more knowledgeable than me on these themes, I suggest you reach out to them. For me, a mental model of monolithic OSM isn't useful. It isn't unique to OSM, even what appear to be simple co

Re: [Tagging] How to tag shared waterway highway

2018-12-08 Thread Michael Patrick
ia.org/articles/oregon_beach_bill/>. Not roads,but a trails, In Montana, with some access restrictions, one can traverse any property below the high watermark <https://www.backcountryhunters.org/mt_stream_access>. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-08 Thread Michael Patrick
& Fluid Flow"- in the U.K., I recall, you get a BEng in Nuclear Engineering out of some of the trade apprenticeships. The Federal Grades are linear, and particular grades are selected that match specialization and trade for a given area, and that isn't always numerically 'linear'. Mic

Re: [Tagging] Can OSM become a geospacial database?

2018-12-06 Thread Michael Patrick
rth a few minutes to seek those out, and adopt from those. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] How to map a sliding section of the Alaska Pipeline

2018-11-25 Thread Michael Patrick
are rails' in two uses ( http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/0001-dh-thornaby-roundhouse.jpg ), but only one is the 'conventional sense' of a rail line - the other rail is for positioning. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org ht

[Tagging] Tracks for moveable large objects

2018-11-23 Thread Michael Patrick
positioning <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gantry#Devices_and_structures> vs. transport. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] (Tramtrack_on_highway)

2018-11-22 Thread Michael Patrick
Not at all unusual related to streets in urban areas, perhaps less so for arterials, although the Seattle Streetcar certainly is on some of the most heavily trafficked streets: Seattle Streetcar:

Re: [Tagging] Public Transport Timetables Proposal RFC

2018-10-31 Thread Michael Patrick
Globally, US DOT, the World Bank, ASFAIK all EU countries, have settled on GTFS, or eventually will on some future version. So there are two cases: 1. Transit Services that use GTFS 2. Transit Services that do not use GTFS For Case 1, the General Transit Feed Specification Reference declares

Re: [Tagging] Area with restaurants, hotels, cinemas - is it landuse=commercial?

2018-10-30 Thread Michael Patrick
nning.org/lbcs/standards/> as a minimal schema to make sense of the semantics of LULC. The EU also has a similar LULC harmonization under the INSPIRE framework <https://inspire.ec.europa.eu/Themes/129/2892>. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 108, Issue 162

2018-09-27 Thread Michael Patrick
be applied in any ad hoc way to any water between two locations, even nested and overlapping manners, at any scale. Precise ambiguity, good for OSM. :-) Michael Patrick Geographer . ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Tagging a named river bend

2018-09-27 Thread Michael Patrick
> It does not communicate the quality of "riverness" at all. This bend may or may not lend its name to a locality but it is primarily a feature of the river, not the name of a settled place. Generally, the term 'Reach' is most appropriate for subsections of flowing water: (From

Re: [Tagging] Mapping language borders, tagging offical languages?

2018-09-16 Thread Michael Patrick
with it, and the folks I've met from NGA are very supportive of the OSM project. Hope some of this helps form your proposal. Michael Patrick, OSM Seattle Data Ferret > ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Fwd: Feature Proposal - RFC - Line clamps

2018-08-08 Thread Michael Patrick
sion' conductor on bottom ) case is 'pin' ( conductor on top ), and if you want 'spool' for the minority conductor in the middle. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Lake or Pond

2018-07-20 Thread Michael Patrick
'Lake Something's which are impoundments that barely would would classify as ponds, basically created by real estate developers as bulldozer scrapes into the local water table. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https

[Tagging] US Forest Service (USDA) and logging

2018-07-17 Thread Michael Patrick
rland is about the same amount of area as the public timberland. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] The endless debate about "landcover" as a top-level tag

2018-06-10 Thread Michael Patrick
OSM. A huge thanks for everyone who contributed to this discussion, I learned a lot about OSM. Michael Patrick Data Ferret ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - shop=cannabis

2018-03-16 Thread Michael Patrick
enewal or are undergoing some sort of change their status is changed from "Active" to "Pending (Issued)." Please include "Pending (Issued)" when filtering to see all currently active licenses Michael Patrick Data Ferret <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email

Re: [Tagging] Forestry/logging

2017-04-10 Thread Michael Patrick
k <http://www.pobonline.com/articles/100691-forestry-by-way-of-aerial-imagery-remote-sensing-gis>, especially maintaining it. A better way to handle this would be a federated page that layers OSM and the forestry web service(s). Michael Patrick Data Ferret OSM Seattle __

[Tagging] Tagging earthquake vulnerabilities of buildings: Developing world

2015-03-17 Thread Michael Patrick
and see how it evolves. If it really is to complicated, they will soon figure it out themselves. Most I'd do is ask them to put up a wikipage explaining the intent and application. Michael Patrick Seattle OSM ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Accuracy of survey

2015-01-01 Thread Michael Patrick
sea level extremes between the phasing of the tides and the satellites, look angles, etc. Michael Patrick Geospatial Analyst http://www.gsi.go.jp/ENGLISH/page_e30068.html ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org

[Tagging] RFC - Extended tags for Key:Surveillance

2013-02-15 Thread Michael Patrick
, IMHO you can get a head start by not re-inventing the wheel. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Digest, Vol 40, Issue 15

2013-01-11 Thread Michael Patrick
segment named the same but separately? Or just the primary distinctive feature? Could you tag the I-90 Bridge from Seattle to Bellevue as an example (Tunnel - beam - viaduct - float - beam - etc.)? Thanks, Michael Patrick On Fri, Jan 11, 2013 at 4:00 AM, tagging-requ...@openstreetmap.org wrote

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Bridge types

2013-01-11 Thread Michael Patrick
seismic refitting, etc seem to be defined by the span type. So I think it would be useful also. Michael Patrick ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging