Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-11-06 Thread easbar . mail
Ok, sure, as far as I am concerned it doesn't have to be `unrestricted` and could just as well be `none` or `no`. But at least there seems to be consensus that a) The `except` tag could/should be replaced with such a `no/none/unrestricted` value for the `restricted:` key b) Using

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-11-01 Thread easbar . mail
Thanks, Minh. Yes, there is no way to indicate an order of precedence between relations. But I also do not understand yet why this should be needed. It would be sufficient to have one relation per 'turn', i.e. for any combination of members with role from/via/to there would be one relation.

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-29 Thread easbar . mail
Yes, sounds good to me :+1: One more interesting case I found is this: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/10344810 restriction=no_right_turn restriction:bicycle=give_way But what is that supposed to mean? There are only two (2) such relations with restriction and

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread easbar . mail
Yes, maybe one problem is that it isn't clear if restriction:vehicle overrules restriction+except. I like your idea of not using the except tag but rather something like restriction:value=unrestricted. Actually that would be the first useful combination of restriction and restriction:vehicle

Re: [Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread easbar . mail
For example this: restriction=only_left_turn except=bicycle;moped;psv;motorcar; restriction:hgv:only_right_turn would be a contradiction. The first two tags tell us that everything except those listed by except (=hgv) should only turn left, the third tag tells us that hgv should only turn

[Tagging] Using restriction and restriction:vehicle for the same restriction relation should be discouraged

2022-10-28 Thread easbar . mail
Currently there are two ways to limit the vehicle types a relation tagged as `type=restriction` (turn restriction) affects. The first one enables the restriction for *all* vehicle types, but then excludes some, like: restriction=no_left_turn except=bicycle The second one lists the vehicles