Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 2:23 PM Timothy Noname wrote: > I thinks it's definitely valuable to map areas where there is no coverage > at all as it's a safety issue > > On Sun, 6 Aug 2023, 21:30 Brian M. Sperlongano, > wrote: > >> This isn't really appropriate data for OSM, sorry. >> > The data

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Le 10.08.23 à 14:22, Brian M. Sperlongano a écrit : On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 6:28 AM Marc_marc > wrote: with this argument, you'd have to remove all the shop= office=* craft=*, Nonsense.  Everyone knows what a craft=brewery is. It's not volatile at all.

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On Thu, Aug 10, 2023, 6:28 AM Marc_marc wrote: > with this argument, you'd have to remove all the shop= office=* craft=*, > Nonsense. Everyone knows what a craft=brewery is. It's not volatile at all. They either make beer or they don't. Cell reception is ephemeral. > let's also remove

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Le 07.08.23 à 21:44, Mark Wagner a écrit : The problem with this proposal is that coverage information is really only interesting on the fringes set let's map on the fringes :) you could say the same thing about surface=asphalt... adding this to a motorway in some countries is not very

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Le 10.08.23 à 10:03, Frederik Ramm a écrit : volatility. with this argument, you'd have to remove all the shop= office=* craft=*, it's much more volatile than the concrete wall surrounding the music room I mentioned in the previous email. let's also remove maxspeed, more volatil than

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Exactly, one have to keep in mind you are lucky if stuff get updated in OSM more frequently than once every a few years. Yves Le 8 août 2023 19:11:25 GMT+02:00, Florian Lohoff a écrit : >On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 07:18:29PM +, NickKatchur via Tagging wrote: >> Hello, >> >> I have developed

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Hi, On 08.08.23 14:43, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: The fundamental thing that you're trying to map here simply doesn't belong in OSM, the proposal will not pass, and I would advise you to stop wasting your time and everyone else's on it. Agree. Also, what flohoff said about volatility. The

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On Sun, Aug 06, 2023 at 07:18:29PM +, NickKatchur via Tagging wrote: > Hello, > > I have developed a proposal to indicate the availability of cell phone > service at nodes and areas, > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Cell_reception. I would consider this data much to volatile to

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No, this does not fix it. The fundamental thing that you're trying to map here simply doesn't belong in OSM, the proposal will not pass, and I would advise you to stop wasting your time and everyone else's on it. OpenStreetMap is a database of verifiable facts, not scientific measurements, and

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Le 08.08.23 à 02:13, NickKatchur via Tagging a écrit : # The reduction of additional tagging models to only strength with excellent/good/low/issues/none options. imho it's already include in =no =limited =yes ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On 8/8/23 04:32, Marc_marc wrote: Hello, Le 06.08.23 à 21:18, NickKatchur via Tagging a écrit : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Cell_reception I'm a bit amused, or rather disappointed, to read comments like "it's complicated to estimate the number of reception bars because it

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On 7/8/23 07:20, Timothy Noname wrote: I thinks it's definitely valuable to map areas where there is no coverage at all as it's a safety issue For safety sake it is best to assume there will be no cell phone coverage. The battery could go flat, the phone could be lost, drowned or

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OP here. While there has been an overwhelming amount of feedback (or criticism) for the proposal. I'd like to discuss thoughts and changes to the proposal based on this discussion and that on the community forum

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Also true but no need for the "quotes". Mountain rescue teams don't just need to call 112/999. And although you can often make an emergency call without a SIM (I believe this does not actually work in the UK) nobody can call you unless you are registered and authorised on a network. On 7

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On 8/6/23 14:18, NickKatchur via Tagging wrote: Hello, I have developed a proposal to indicate the availability of cell phone service at nodes and areas, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Cell_reception . This is

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On Mon, 7 Aug 2023 20:32:12 +0200 Marc_marc wrote: > Hello, > > Le 06.08.23 à 21:18, NickKatchur via Tagging a écrit : > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Cell_reception > > I'm a bit amused, or rather disappointed, to read comments like > "it's complicated to estimate the

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Just a note about your "fact": your phone can roam to any available network when you are dialing the emergency number. You can even dial it without a SIM inserted in most countries. Hence why it displays the text "emergency calls only" in such cases. Circuits towards the emergency number are also

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Two users on the same network standing next to each other can get different results. They may be connected to different base stations. CDMA is a whole other can of worms. There are so many variables, it's impossible to give detailed data for "cell phone reception at location X". But the

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Hello, Le 06.08.23 à 21:18, NickKatchur via Tagging a écrit : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Cell_reception I'm a bit amused, or rather disappointed, to read comments like "it's complicated to estimate the number of reception bars because it depends on the phone". Were these

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Also, from a practical point of view, data points about cell service are not going to have any relationship to other items in the osm database. And, they are likely going to be semi-automatically collected, and people probably want contour lines that are generated from points, not the points.

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Hi all, I completely second comments about how variable mobile coverage is and will be actually hard to map on OSM. It's up to operators and regulatory authorities to make hypothesizes to publish maps which will depict only one precise situation. Such maps will only be simulations with many

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I think locals will know when a village has no mobile phone coverage at all and I think it's suitable to be mapped as long as it's made sufficiently clear that it's not the sort of thing you map whilst just passing through. Incidentally, There are tags in OSM for measuring traffic on roads. On

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Aug 7, 2023, 02:58 by miketh...@gmail.com: > > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:39 PM Evan Carroll <> m...@evancarroll.com> > wrote: > >> >> >> While I don't disagree, that's not an argument for OSM. OSM's job isn't to >> mitigate real world safety issues caused by technology. It's to map >>

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There's already services offered by companies like Opensignal to do this automatically through apps. And they record actual signal strength data that one cannot access by simply pulling their phones out. Also, signal strength as a value that vary continuously over space is like elevation or

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The reception you get depends on your phone: Android and iPhone use different algorithms to determine bars from signal strength. Phones vary on which bands they support, antennas, RF processing, etc., depending on manufacturer and age. So cell phones are not very good for detecting how good a

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 6:39 PM Evan Carroll wrote: > > > While I don't disagree, that's not an argument for OSM. OSM's job isn't to > mitigate real world safety issues caused by technology. It's to map > generally useful geographically verifiable things. > I don't understand how cell coverage

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On Sun, Aug 6, 2023 at 4:22 PM Timothy Noname wrote: > I thinks it's definitely valuable to map areas where there is no coverage > at all as it's a safety issue > While I don't disagree, that's not an argument for OSM. OSM's job isn't to mitigate real world safety issues caused by technology.

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Just commented on the Forum, but I'll repeat it here. There are too many things to take into account that may affect your coverage - different networks, different phones on the same network, how crowded any spot is at the time = how much demand, whether there may be a good spot up that hill etc

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

On Aug 6, 2023, at 1:35 PM, NickKatchur via Tagging wrote: > Care to give any reasoning? The carriers (at least in North America; Verizon, AT, T-Mobile...) already publish these data. They are blocky, shitty, maybe slightly hazy or helpful, but OSM doesn't chase what "they" say (already).

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

I thinks it's definitely valuable to map areas where there is no coverage at all as it's a safety issue On Sun, 6 Aug 2023, 21:30 Brian M. Sperlongano, wrote: > This isn't really appropriate data for OSM, sorry. > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023, 3:21 PM NickKatchur via Tagging < >

Re: [Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Care to give any reasoning? --- Original Message --- On Sunday, August 6th, 2023 at 4:24 PM, Brian M. Sperlongano - zelonewolf(a)gmail.com wrote: > This isn't really appropriate data for OSM, sorry. > > On Sun, Aug 6, 2023, 3:21 PM NickKatchur via Tagging > wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> I

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This isn't really appropriate data for OSM, sorry. On Sun, Aug 6, 2023, 3:21 PM NickKatchur via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Hello, > > > I have developed a proposal to indicate the availability of cell phone > service at nodes and areas, >

[Tagging] [RFC] Feature Proposal - Cell Phone Reception

Hello, I have developed a proposal to indicate the availability of cell phone service at nodes and areas, https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal:Cell_reception. There is currently no such usage of a tag or any related tags known. Please add any valuable discussion on the wiki discussion