Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Volker Schmidt
There is another problem with animal paths completely apart from permissions: they may lead you to nowhere. (years back I nearly got lost in a labyrinth of footpaths in the dense macchia in Corsica. They were well visible and wide, but just high enough to walk for children, and were actually

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Wed, Dec 2, 2020 at 7:03 AM Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Am Di., 1. Dez. 2020 um 18:08 Uhr schrieb Brian M. Sperlongano < > zelonew...@gmail.com>: > >> +1, it's unreasonable for mappers to be mind readers about the intent of >> land managers. Either the public is allowed to walk on these

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Philip Barnes
On Wednesday, 2 December 2020, Jo wrote > > your feet may sink into the mud Wear wellies. though and beware the BULL :-) Make sure you know if it a recognised dairy breed or not. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Sailfish device ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 1. Dez. 2020 um 18:08 Uhr schrieb Brian M. Sperlongano < zelonew...@gmail.com>: > +1, it's unreasonable for mappers to be mind readers about the intent of > land managers. Either the public is allowed to walk on these paths, or > they are not. There isn't really a middle ground here. >

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Jo
> > > +1, same here for wild boars. “animal path” does not provide sufficient > information what kind of object it is, because these paths are quite > different depending on the animals. The mentioned cow paths are probably > always suitable for humans, while others may not. > > your feet may sink

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 2. Dec 2020, at 05:43, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Wombat pads are wide enough to follow but the animal is lo to the ground and > can go through what to a human is inpenatrable scrub - some is simply to > thiic and interwwoven and some has sharp needle

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Warin
On 2/12/20 6:41 am, Philip Barnes wrote: On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 17:55 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: Given "in the field they may also look like trails." it seems to not be solvable. How mappers are supposed to distinguish them from normal paths? Humans are animals, mammals to

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Philip Barnes
On Tue, 2020-12-01 at 17:55 +0100, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Given "in the field they may also look like trails." it seems to not > be solvable. > > How mappers are supposed to distinguish them from normal paths? Humans are animals, mammals to be a bit more exact. The non-human

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
On Tue, Dec 1, 2020 at 11:59 AM Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > Dec 1, 2020, 00:44 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > Am Di., 1. Dez. 2020 um 00:39 Uhr schrieb Lukas Richert < > lrich...@posteo.net>: > > I wouldn't tag this as foot=no or access=no. There are

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Dec 1, 2020, 00:44 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > Am Di., 1. Dez. 2020 um 00:39 Uhr schrieb Lukas Richert <> > lrich...@posteo.net> >: > >> >> I wouldn't tag this as foot=no or access=no. There are many trails in >> my area that are clearly animal tracks and seldom used by people

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Given "in the field they may also look like trails." it seems to not be solvable. How mappers are supposed to distinguish them from normal paths? Nov 30, 2020, 20:41 by s8e...@runbox.com: > Hello everyone, > > With the Belgian community, we have been in contact with Natuurpunt, our main >

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Dec 2020, at 05:03, Peter Elderson wrote: > > humans=no? looks like an access tag, so it is not suitable unless this is the legal situation. Generally we might not be able to have a solution with a single tag, because of the differing legal situation. In some

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-12-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 1. Dec 2020, at 04:31, Minh Nguyen via Tagging > wrote: > > Regardless, informal=yes seems especially appropriate for these animal-made > paths. *if* the path could be useful for humans (i.e. you can walk there), highway=path and informal=yes may be suitable,

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Minh Nguyen via Tagging
Vào lúc 16:32 2020-11-30, Warin đã viết: I would not encourage the use of the tag 'animal' as it is a real mess! See taginfo for the variety of values that have no coordination. Example animal=wellness ... for which animals and then the problem of tagging that... terrible. animal=wellness is

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Tod Fitch
Maybe animal_path=yes|cow|deer|... Where the values cover the various animals that create paths visible on imagery. -- Sent from my phone, please forgive my brevity. > On Monday, Nov 30, 2020 at 1:15 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick (mailto:graemefi...@gmail.com)> wrote: > > > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 11:06 am, Casper Van Battum wrote: I believe access=no would apply for this specific situation, in the sense that the organization mentioned doesn't want people walking on the trails. I'm guessing it's either protected land or private property these trails are on. Since the

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Casper Van Battum
I believe access=no would apply for this specific situation, in the sense that the organization mentioned doesn't want people walking on the trails. I'm guessing it's either protected land or private property these trails are on. Since the organization mentioned they didn't want to put up "no

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Warin
On 1/12/20 10:36 am, Lukas Richert wrote: I wouldn't tag this as foot=no or access=no. There are many trails in my area that are clearly animal tracks and seldom used by people - but it is allowed for people to walk on these and they are sometimes significant shortcuts so allowing routing

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Di., 1. Dez. 2020 um 00:39 Uhr schrieb Lukas Richert : > I wouldn't tag this as foot=no or access=no. There are many trails in my > area that are clearly animal tracks and seldom used by people - but it is > allowed for people to walk on these and they are sometimes significant > shortcuts so

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Lukas Richert
I wouldn't tag this as foot=no or access=no. There are many trails in my area that are clearly animal tracks and seldom used by people - but it is allowed for people to walk on these and they are sometimes significant shortcuts so allowing routing over them in some cases would be good.

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Paul Allen
On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 at 21:45, Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > Note that there is already an animal=* tag for describing things related > to animals, so that probably shouldn't be overridden. Perhaps a > combination of foot=no and animal=yes satisfies what we're describing? > Or not:highway=path

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Note that there is already an animal=* tag for describing things related to animals, so that probably shouldn't be overridden. Perhaps a combination of foot=no and animal=yes satisfies what we're describing? On Mon, Nov 30, 2020 at 4:16 PM Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > > On Tue, 1 Dec 2020

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Graeme Fitzpatrick
On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 at 06:54, Yves via Tagging wrote: > Creating a new tag for this is not a bad idea. > Not a bad idea at all, even if just to stop them being marked as paths, but what would you tag them as? Footpaths etc are currently tagged as highway=xxx, which really isn't appropriate for

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Casper van Battum
Adding a `note=*` would not really help much here. The issue is that the paths show up on the maps viewed by people. If we want to to give platforms the ability to not render animal paths, they should be easy to filter out. You can't do that with a generic note. I'm not sure if something

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Yves via Tagging
Creating a new tag for this is not a bad idea. Yves Le 30 novembre 2020 21:27:33 GMT+01:00, Seth Deegan a écrit : >You could add a `note=*` to every element. You should probably contact the >mappers of that region and explain to them not to add them. > >I agree that in this case, mapping

Re: [Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread Seth Deegan
You could add a `note=*` to every element. You should probably contact the mappers of that region and explain to them not to add them. I agree that in this case, mapping animal tracks is *especially *necessary. If someone isn't going to map it now, they're going to do so in the future (as you've

[Tagging] Animal trails

2020-11-30 Thread s8evq
Hello everyone, With the Belgian community, we have been in contact with Natuurpunt, our main national nature conservation organization. They are slowing using more and more OSM and recently came to us with the following remark. "Some mappers have added paths that are not actually real paths