Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-03 Thread Jens Glad Balchen
On 03.12.2022 11:49, Alex wrote: _Mainly_, I have concerns about the concept of a cycle path or foot path being attendant to or a sidepath of another road. In Norway, we no longer have cycle paths and foot paths. We have cycleways, footways and carriageways. It may seem like a small

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-03 Thread Alex
_Mainly_, I have concerns about the concept of a cycle path or foot path being attendant to or a sidepath of another road. In Norway, we no longer have cycle paths and foot paths. We have cycleways, footways and carriageways. It may seem like a small difference in terminology, but it makes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-03 Thread Alex
The whole proposal is a pragmatic compromise to the fact that we do not have an usable solution for "grouping" paths within a road corridor. As we know, relations cannot be used effectively for this at present (if we are already talking about the "effort" to tag a sidepath with a single

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Jens Glad Balchen
On 02.12.2022 13:31, Alex wrote: Paths and ways along a road can be mapped separately in OSM, but those separate geometries cannot be identified as part of the road, or only with the significant effort of using geometric processing (which most applications can't perform). I strongly agree

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
2 gru 2022, 20:50 od m...@nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us: > Vào lúc 08:44 2022-12-02, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging đã viết: > >> I have good news! There is preprocessing solution for large (nearly all?) >> simple cases, >> written in Kotlin and is a part of StreetComplete. >> >> StreetComplete

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 07:54 2022-12-02, Tobias Knerr đã viết: On 02.12.22 15:02 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: If it is second case of preprocessing being impossible - why do massive duplication and ask to duplicate ref value AND name value AND highway value? The duplication-free solution of referencing the

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Minh Nguyen
Vào lúc 08:44 2022-12-02, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging đã viết: I have good news! There is preprocessing solution for large (nearly all?) simple cases, written in Kotlin and is a part of StreetComplete. StreetComplete would be able to handle cases listed in its sidewalk detection (used to

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
2 gru 2022, 16:54 od o...@tobias-knerr.de: > On 02.12.22 15:02 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > >> Or is it justifiable because it is outright impossible to do reliably >> with automatic preprocessing? >> > > I would say that's the reason. Of course, it's hard to prove that something > is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 02.12.22 15:02 Mateusz Konieczny wrote: Or is it justifiable because it is outright impossible to do reliably with automatic preprocessing? I would say that's the reason. Of course, it's hard to prove that something is impossible. But so far no one has built a working solution for

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
"or only with the significant effort of using geometric processing (which most applications can't perform)" why doing it manually would be preferable? Is it repeating mistake of adding pointless work for mappers because it "causes extra preprocessing for routing software."? And valuing time

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - "is_sidepath" as a sidepath concept

2022-12-02 Thread Alex
Paths and ways along a road can be mapped separately in OSM, but those separate geometries cannot be identified as part of the road, or only with the significant effort of using geometric processing (which most applications can't perform). However, the information whether a path is attendant