Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-09 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Dear all! Thank you for the insightful critical comments for the tag proposal. I have now changed the tag value from a bicycle=* acces key to a railway= -key. I have also changed and updated the Rationale, Tagging and Applies to -fields according to the comments received here and on the talk

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-08 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 23:17, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Moot point, sidewalks should be mapped as separate ways for the same reason. I don't want to start another sidewalk discussion, but please note that sidewalks as separate ways don't solve all problems. Especially in residential areas without

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 7, 2018 at 3:51 PM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > > Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than the middle of > the tracks is arguably worse, particularly for use cases that depend on > this (creating a train simulator,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-07 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wed, 7 Nov 2018 at 03:45, Paul Johnson wrote: > > Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than the middle of the > tracks is arguably worse, particularly for use cases that depend on this > (creating a train simulator, or pedestrian navigation, for example). As far as pedestrian

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-06 Thread Paul Johnson
On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 10:59 AM SelfishSeahorse wrote: > Anyway, i'm wondering why tram tracks that are embedded in a street are > mapped with separate ways instead of reusing the street way? Separating > them seems topologically wrong. Putting the centerline of the rails somewhere other than

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-05 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
5. Nov 2018 15:46 by jukka.nikulai...@helsinki.fi : > Hello again > > Thank you for the very good critical comments! It is obvious that my original > proposal of a bicycle= -tag for this purpose is a bad idea, but it should be > introduced as a more

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-05 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello again Thank you for the very good critical comments! It is obvious that my original proposal of a bicycle= -tag for this purpose is a bad idea, but it should be introduced as a more general tag. How should I proceed? Is is best to change the current proposal status to Canceled or

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway=

2018-11-04 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 4. Nov 2018, at 09:12, Nikulainen, Jukka K > wrote: > > As Mateusz mentioned it might be better to use a more general tag for > tramtracks on a highway than just an access-key for bicyclists. > > On the other hand, the real danger of the indents in the tracks is

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway=

2018-11-04 Thread Warin
On 04/11/18 19:12, Nikulainen, Jukka K wrote: Hi all! Thank you for all for good points and special thanks to Mateusz for the pictures and further proposals! Sorry for the delay in my replies. As Mateusz mentioned it might be better to use a more general tag for tramtracks on a highway than

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway=

2018-11-04 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hi all! Thank you for all for good points and special thanks to Mateusz for the pictures and further proposals! Sorry for the delay in my replies. As Mateusz mentioned it might be better to use a more general tag for tramtracks on a highway than just an access-key for bicyclists. On the other

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 2. Nov. 2018 um 18:21 Uhr schrieb SelfishSeahorse < selfishseaho...@gmail.com>: > On Friday, November 2, 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > Although less precise, i would have only drawn one and tagged it tracks=2 > in order to not break topology. I don't understand why traffic lanes

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, November 2, 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Frequently you can't get this right. You will often have just one > carriageway (i.e. one highway way) and you will usually have 2 ways for the > tram tracks (if you draw each of them). > Although less precise, i would have only drawn

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Fr., 2. Nov. 2018 um 16:58 Uhr schrieb SelfishSeahorse < selfishseaho...@gmail.com>: > Anyway, i'm wondering why tram tracks that are embedded in a street are > mapped with separate ways instead of reusing the street way? Separating > them seems topologically wrong. Frequently you can't

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-02 Thread SelfishSeahorse
Anyway, i'm wondering why tram tracks that are embedded in a street are mapped with separate ways instead of reusing the street way? Separating them seems topologically wrong. For example at this pedestrian crossing [1] one doesn't first cross tram tracks, then the street and then again tram

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-01 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
1. Nov 2018 12:53 by jukka.nikulai...@helsinki.fi : > Although I've been a mapper for over a decade, this is my first feature > proposal. > Hopefully I have included everything needed for a complete RFC! > copy of my replies on the talk page (1)

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Tramtrack on highway

2018-11-01 Thread Nikulainen, Jukka K
Hello everybody! https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Tramtrack_on_highway Definition: Cycling allowed on highway=*, but a tramway track (railway=tram) runs on it, though the tramway is mapped as a separate way. Although I've been a mapper for over a decade, this is my first