Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread markus schnalke
Hoi. To me it seems as if we suffer much from discussing too many aspects at once, and that prevents us from finding solutions. I see these separate problems: 1) Are multi-values necessary? -- I don't see general agreement on this. They might even be only necessary for a few explicit corner c

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread moltonel
On 27 January 2016 09:15:10 GMT+00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >the current tagging definitely is >improvable (because you cannot see which is this official > name by looking at the current tags). If I were to add a tag for the official name, we'd end up with name=x official_name=x name_1=

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread moltonel
On 27 January 2016 10:09:51 GMT+00:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >2016-01-27 10:39 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > >> France ? The example boundary is in Ireland >> > > >;-) >anyway, s/France/Ireland/ and the statement remains. I bet also the >Irish >have official names for their administrative u

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-01-27 10:39 GMT+01:00 Marc Gemis : > France ? The example boundary is in Ireland > ;-) anyway, s/France/Ireland/ and the statement remains. I bet also the Irish have official names for their administrative units. Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging ma

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread Marc Gemis
On Wed, Jan 27, 2016 at 10:15 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > can hardly believe you don't have official versions of names for > administrative areas in France, so the current tagging definitely is > improvable (because you cannot see which is this official name by looking at > the current tags).

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-27 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-01-27 2:14 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo : > Andy has already given some good answers and I've rambled for too long > on the subject, but since you ask again I'll dig up > http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/5257865 again, which cannot be > satisfyingly tagged with foo_name variations. Its na

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
tOn 26/01/2016, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > In my experience name, name:en, old_name, alt_name, alt_name:ru etc etc > etc were always sufficient. An example where multivalue names are > truly necessary would be interesting. Andy has already given some good answers and I've rambled for too long on

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Jan 26, 2016, at 9:24 AM, Éric Gillet wrote: > > 2016-01-26 17:52 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale >: > So how ARE we going to represent multi-valued attributes from real life in an > OSM context? > > > I believe that if a multi-value tag system is added to the OSM AP

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Andy Townsend
On 26/01/2016 19:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: In my experience name, name:en, old_name, alt_name, alt_name:ru etc etc etc were always sufficient. An example where multivalue names are truly necessary would be interesting. Here's a brief summary of where I think that what we have now for names

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Tue, 26 Jan 2016 17:52:13 +0100 Colin Smale wrote: > Indeed, it is filling one hole with another. So how ARE we going to > represent multi-valued attributes from real life in an OSM context? > > I am not detecting much progress on this, just negativity around all > current attempts at doing

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Éric Gillet
2016-01-26 17:52 GMT+01:00 Colin Smale : > So how ARE we going to represent multi-valued attributes from real life in > an OSM context? > I believe that if a multi-value tag system is added to the OSM API, the migration would be easier from semicolumns multi-values than from _N suffixes.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Colin Smale
Indeed, it is filling one hole with another. So how ARE we going to represent multi-valued attributes from real life in an OSM context? I am not detecting much progress on this, just negativity around all current attempts at doing it. //colin On 2016-01-26 17:21, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > On

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-26 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
On Mon, 25 Jan 2016 01:22:25 +0100 Hakuch wrote: > The voting for the proposal "Remove suffixed name-tags from wiki" has > started. Please involve with your vote: > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Remove_suffixed_name-tags_from_wiki > > find discussion threads here: > >

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-25 Thread Hakuch
On 25.01.2016 12:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2016-01-25 12:05 GMT+01:00 Hakuch : > >> Because there some comments about the "removing", please mind this line >> of the proposal: >> >> what this proposal wants to do if successful >> - add a text to Key:name that discourages from using this tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-25 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2016-01-25 12:05 GMT+01:00 Hakuch : > Because there some comments about the "removing", please mind this line > of the proposal: > > what this proposal wants to do if successful > - add a text to Key:name that discourages from using this tags, even if > they exist in database. A link to this propo

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-25 Thread Hakuch
Because there some comments about the "removing", please mind this line of the proposal: what this proposal wants to do if successful - add a text to Key:name that discourages from using this tags, even if they exist in database. A link to this proposal will explain the reasons. so of course, I w

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - (Remove name_1 and alt_name_1 from wiki)

2016-01-24 Thread Hakuch
The voting for the proposal "Remove suffixed name-tags from wiki" has started. Please involve with your vote: https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Remove_suffixed_name-tags_from_wiki find discussion threads here: http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewtopic.php?id=53223 (german) htt