Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/27 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: Again, I'm fine with not creating another tag (like driveway=pipestem), but the next best thing I can think of is to do something like operator=123-129 Suburb Street (as that's what's shown on signs, ugly for parsing), or perhaps I could create a pipestem

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-27 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/27 M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: tag driveway=pipeway. sorry, of course this should read pipestem ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-27 Thread Steve Doerr
On a side-note, this meaning of 'pipestem' seems to be completely unknown to the Oxford English Dictionary, despite the fact that they revised this whole section of the alphabet ('pi-mesic' to 'pleating') for an update released in June 2006. Perhaps someone should tell them about it? --

[Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
How do we differentiate between driveways and pipestems? Pipestems are common in planned residential developments (at least in the US), where a number of houses are located off a pipestem, each with their own driveways. Maintenance of the pipestem is the responsibility of all the homeowners off

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I'm not clear why this is all that different from an alley which might have garages along it. Creating a new tag here seems like overkill to me. Couldn't you just use one of the service values (driveway, alley, or just keep it at service), and add access tag, operator, etc.? I know taxonomies

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
I need some way to differentiate between pipestems and driveways, because the distinction between the two are very important for my community. Operator and access tags are useful, but they won't help me differentiate between the two. I'm not proposing to create a new tag that becomes standard.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/26 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com: I'm not proposing to create a new tag that becomes standard. If I have to I'll just use my_namespace=pipestem, but I'd rather use something that could possibly be reused by someone else. if it becomes reused by someone else (which would be good IMHO) it is

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 07:52:39 -0500 Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: How do we differentiate between driveways and pipestems? Pipestems are common in planned residential developments (at least in the US), where a number of houses are located off a pipestem, each with their own driveways. A

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/26/2011 5:27 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I'm not sure why you need to differentiate between this and a driveway, but I think the driveway is mistagged if marked highway=service. Do you mark the driveways access=private? The standard for driveways is in fact highway=service service=driveway

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2011/2/26 Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net: I'm not sure why you need to differentiate between this and a driveway, but I think the driveway is mistagged if marked highway=service. It is quite common to do so (currently there are 171710 ways tagged with service=driveway, which is a quarter of

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2011-02-26 14:35, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On 2/26/2011 5:27 PM, Elizabeth Dodd wrote: I'm not sure why you need to differentiate between this and a driveway, but I think the driveway is mistagged if marked highway=service. Do you mark the driveways access=private? The standard for

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
West Virginia actually maintains and numbers these pipestems under the Home Access Route Program (example: http://www.gribblenation.com/wvpics/subs/939on11n-kerr.jpg) Before they were given to the state in the 1990s, they were orphan roads that were open to the public but not maintained by any

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:04:23 -0800 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: I tag it highway=service + access=private (usually with evidence from a posted sign at the intersection with the public road), I'd favour access=permissive rather than private.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Elizabeth Dodd
On Sat, 26 Feb 2011 15:04:23 -0800 Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: The standard for driveways is in fact highway=service service=driveway access=private. I don't feel the need to tag access=* on a driveway. It seems that, wherever I draw a driveway, it's access is the same

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
I agree about the access issue, by default for a driveway (or sub-type pipestem :) access should be private, as it's solely intended for the homeowner(s) to drive and/or park their vehicles. As Elizabeth points out, yes, it does require routers to check the sub-type to see if it's a driveway or

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Josh Doe
Interesting, this is a different definition of pipestem than what I'm familiar with. Pipestems as I know them (at least in Fairfax County, Virginia, USA), are a shared driveway leading to two or more houses. The houses on a pipestem are jointly responsible for maintaining the road themselves.

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 2/26/2011 8:01 PM, Josh Doe wrote: Interesting, this is a different definition of pipestem than what I'm familiar with. Pipestems as I know them (at least in Fairfax County, Virginia, USA), are a shared driveway leading to two or more houses. The houses on a pipestem are jointly responsible

Re: [Tagging] How to tag pipestems (shared driveways)

2011-02-26 Thread Steve Bennett
Perhaps I could use highway=service, service=driveway, and driveway=pipestem? Suggestions are welcome! Creating a new tag here seems like overkill to me. I know taxonomies are fun, but don't see how pipestem adds much information. the distinction between the two are very important for my