Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-23 Thread Peter Wendorff
Hi Richard. Never heard of that, so let me ask to clearify... On 23.09.2010 00:59, Richard Welty wrote: On 9/22/10 6:47 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. X Y Border, but the river also has a different

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/23/10 7:27 AM, Peter Wendorff wrote: Hi Richard. Never heard of that, so let me ask to clearify... On 23.09.2010 00:59, Richard Welty wrote: On 9/22/10 6:47 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. X Y

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-23 Thread John Smith
Check out the murray river polygon/relation stuff near Albury I did if you want an example On 9/23/10, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 9:06 AM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Since it would be almost impossible for a single way along a river

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-23 Thread Eugene Alvin Villar
Yep, this is how I understood that guideline to be. So if you have a polygon where there was just a node before representing the same thing, you're free to delete the node in favor of the polygon assuming no data (i.e., tag info) is lost. Here's what the wiki says [1] One feature, one OSM-object

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-23 Thread Dave F.
On 23/09/2010 12:46, Richard Welty wrote: furthermore, i would consider representing a building with unknown outline with a node to be a bit iffy. I realize this is going a bit OT, but since you brought it up - why do you think that? Ta Dave F.

[Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
Quite a number of times I've noticed a single way having the tag boundary=administrative (I assume having come from the Australian ABS import and being part of a larger relation marking some town or suburb) but also having waterway=stream (for example

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 September 2010 21:19, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: My interpretation of the One feature, one OSM-object suggestion I can only assume that was referring to physical objects, rather than meta information. Boundaries aren't a physical object, and they're not properly dealt

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorange pdora...@mac.com wrote: With JOSM you can achieve that by drawing a way by clicking on the node one by one. It will draw a new way using the same nodes. That is okay for a couple nodes, but is error prone and tedious for hundreds of nodes

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:29 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote: Boundaries aren't a physical object, and they're not properly dealt with most of the time in any case. Waterways is one of the few things, especially where no hi-res imagery is available, I actually think they can be

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 13:36, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 9:31 PM, Pierre-Alain Dorangepdora...@mac.com wrote: With JOSM you can achieve that by drawing a way by clicking on the node one by one. It will draw a new way using the same nodes. That is okay for a couple nodes,

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Vincent Pottier vpott...@gmail.com wrote: on JOSM : copy the way (ctr + C), create a new layer (ctrl + N) and don't clic in it, paste the way (ctrl + V) (the nodes are at the same place), put the tags, merge the layers, merge the duplicated nodes (validator

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Willi
On 22. September 2010 18:20 Andrew Harvey [andrew.harv...@gmail.com] wrote: If this is the agreed upon thing then it would be great if someone could run a script that split the waterway tags from the boundary ones into a new way. On 22. September 2010 18:32 Pierre-Alain Dorange

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 2:24 PM, Willi wil...@gmx.de wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits/Code_of_Conduct .. you may read in the Wiki are not a carte blanche for you to change everything so that it fits the Wiki rules. And, of course, these rules include the code of

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 14:17, Andrew Harvey wrote: On Wed, Sep 22, 2010 at 10:03 PM, Vincent Pottiervpott...@gmail.com wrote: on JOSM : copy the way (ctr + C), create a new layer (ctrl + N) and don't clic in it, paste the way (ctrl + V) (the nodes are at the same place), put the tags, merge the

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Vincent Pottier
On 22/09/2010 14:14, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote: 2010/9/22 Vincent Pottiervpott...@gmail.com: yes. I use the 3d way (drawing 2 ways sharing nodes). I prefer this method for the reason given : if the bank/flow changes, the border may not. and you will be happily unglueing nodes till

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 22 September 2010 21:43, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: They may need to be split later anyway if the river moves (say from erosion), but the administrative boundary doesn't. If however a river and boundary were split into different ways now then tags aren't mixed and cannot

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: As for the specific question, I would say that if the boundary is defined by the natural feature, it's probably OK to use one way. For example, http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/way/78384443 is legally defined as

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Andrew Harvey
On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 5:43 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I think one feature, one object is usually used in the other direction: you don't tag the boundary name=x and also put it in a boundary relation with name=x. You don't put a fast_food node in the middle of a building

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread Richard Welty
On 9/22/10 6:47 PM, Andrew Harvey wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. X Y Border, but the river also has a different name. one of the operative theories here is that in cases of shared ways, we should be using the higher level

Re: [Tagging] Interpreting One feature, one OSM-object

2010-09-22 Thread John Smith
On 23 September 2010 08:47, Andrew Harvey andrew.harv...@gmail.com wrote: What happens if tags conflict then? For example just say the boundary actually had a name, e.g. X Y Border, but the river also has a different name. Since it would be almost impossible for a single way along a river to