Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-08 Thread johnw
So back to capacity:*=n discussion. -The vehicle parking lots I usually tag have the following kinds of parking spaces, marked with signs and broken up into groups (visible on service area signs): (Some values taken from the access=* key wiki page. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:acce

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread John Willis
> On Aug 5, 2015, at 7:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > FWIW, "access" tag and subtags are generally wrong on parking lots in this > context, IMHO, what we normally want to say is that _parking_ is restricted. > Access (e.g. walking there) is typically permissive on these sites. Anywa

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 05.08.2015 um 12:37 schrieb johnw : > > having a bit of service road in the middle of a mall render with the red > dashed lines when it can be used by “customers” who are disabled seems a > little wrong. if the road is only accessible to disabled customers it seems o

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis : >> >> I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier >> or use a parking isle. > > > access=no > disabled=yes looked up the disa

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
Sorry it was a screw up. A "pocket dial” kind of thing. Javbw > On Aug 4, 2015, at 3:57 AM, John Eldredge wrote: > > What is the point of quoting someone else without adding any additional > comment? ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-05 Thread johnw
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > sent from a phone > >> Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis > >: >> >> I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier >> or use a parking isle. > > > access=no > disabled

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-03 Thread John Eldredge
What is the point of quoting someone else without adding any additional comment? -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com "Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that." -- Martin Luther King, Jr. On August 1, 2015 5:04:44 P

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread johnw
> On Aug 2, 2015, at 8:49 AM, Lauri Kytömaa wrote: > >> access=customers > Either access=destination or access=permissive, depending on local > laws an practices. (or motor_vehicle=*) Access=customers is an established (and documented*) and well used tag (100K uses), and a preset in iD. The

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
(btw. I don't see any problems with capacity:x=* tags, just the access=* values) John Willis wrote: >access=customers Either access=destination or access=permissive, depending on local laws an practices. (or motor_vehicle=*) >access=emergency rather access=no + emergency=yes > a legally separate

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone > On Aug 2, 2015, at 4:25 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > > access=no > disabled=yes ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > Am 01.08.2015 um 14:29 schrieb John Willis : > > I want to say that only disabled vehicles can gain access through a barrier > or use a parking isle. access=no disabled=yes cheers Martin ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@opens

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread John Willis
TL;DR: capacity=* (and access=*) need to better match reality and have more values - and have existing popular values (including iD presets) documented. > On Aug 1, 2015, at 7:50 PM, Lauri Kytömaa wrote: > > In this the "disabled" is a group, i.e. a mode of transport as the > wiki page calls

Re: [Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-08-01 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
johnw wrote: >Access=disabled would be good for this situation, but In this the "disabled" is a group, i.e. a mode of transport as the wiki page calls them, and should be in the key and not in the value; otherwise some areas would get access=disabled;seniors;pregnant , which is awkward. Also the

[Tagging] New Key capacity:*=n values

2015-07-31 Thread johnw
TL;DR: suggesting creation of capacity:motorcycle/scooter/moped=n capacity:senior=n and capacity:priority=n and maybe access=disabled for service roads / gates ~~~ Talking about stuff missing from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capacity