Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-14 Thread Andy Townsend
On 12/08/2020 01:37, 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging wrote: i have been to 11 stations in the last 3 weeks, the trains are not doing what the tags represent If you've done this, and care that stop positions are mapped in the correct place, then I'd suggest that you actually map these stop positio

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
i have been to 11 stations in the last 3 weeks, the trains are not doing what the tags represent   >Tuesday, August 11, 2020 7:25 PM -05:00 from Clay Smalley >: >  >You really need to stop calling people's edits "fake". It's disrespectful. >You're not in a position to determine whether my edit

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread Clay Smalley
You really need to stop calling people's edits "fake". It's disrespectful. You're not in a position to determine whether my edits were estimation or actually fictitious data. It's an especially shitty thing to email me privately to lob personal attacks at me after it becomes clear the community he

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
>OK ! i will >  >end thread. >>Tuesday, August 11, 2020 2:01 PM -05:00 from Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < >>tagging@openstreetmap.org >: >>  >>Aug 11, 2020, 20:49 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: >>>  >>>sent from a phone On 11. Aug 2020, at 19:55, Clay Smalley < claysmal...@gmail.com > wrote: >>

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Aug 11, 2020, 20:49 by dieterdre...@gmail.com: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 11. Aug 2020, at 19:55, Clay Smalley wrote: >> >> We've pointed out concrete steps you can take to improve these >> initially-mapped stop positions. If mapping stop positions accurately is >> important to you, why

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging
Aug 11, 2020, 19:52 by claysmal...@gmail.com: > What exactly is your point here? If nobody is responding to your complaints, > perhaps they aren't worth responding to. > Or posted as an unreadable blue text. > Repeating the same complaints to the same group of people won't change that. > > >

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 11. Aug 2020, at 19:55, Clay Smalley wrote: > > We've pointed out concrete steps you can take to improve these > initially-mapped stop positions. If mapping stop positions accurately is > important to you, why not take responsibility for improving them? I agree that

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread Clay Smalley
What exactly is your point here? If nobody is responding to your complaints, perhaps they aren't worth responding to. Repeating the same complaints to the same group of people won't change that. Are you worried that incorrectly-mapped stop positions endanger people's safety? We've pointed out con

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-11 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
this is missing my original talk. IN the chicago area we have 3 railway company’s operating the system, and one had signs left up from the old days   which in watching the train come into that stations platform  did not stop at  the sign based on the number of cars + the   diesel engines or engin

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
On 10/8/20 7:06 pm, Ture Pålsson via Tagging wrote: Here in Stockholm, trains seem to line up one end of the train with one end of the platform. Usually, that's the end where the entrance is, but sometimes there are entrances at both ends, so if you arrive just in time at an unfamiliar station

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Ture Pålsson via Tagging
Here in Stockholm, trains seem to line up one end of the train with one end of the platform. Usually, that's the end where the entrance is, but sometimes there are entrances at both ends, so if you arrive just in time at an unfamiliar station and find that it's a short train, you may be in for

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-10 Thread Warin
On 8/8/20 10:54 am, Andy Townsend wrote: Hello, This is a question that actually arose out of a "how to tag" argument that's come to the attention of the DWG in the USA, but it's actually easy to describe in terms of data in the UK that I'm familiar with, so I'll do that. https://www.openst

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Clay Smalley
On Sun, Aug 9, 2020 at 9:06 AM 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > in the chicago area we have 3 railway company’s operating the system, and > one had signs left up from the old days > > which in watching the train come into the stations platform did not stop > at the

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread 80hnhtv4agou--- via Tagging
in the chicago area we have 3 railway company’s operating the system, and one had signs left up from the old days   which in watching the train come into the stations platform  did not stop at  the sign based on the number of cars + the   diesel engines or engines. which could be 5, 6, 7, or 8 ca

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sun, 9 Aug 2020 at 10:51, Philip Barnes wrote: > One local station has different stop positions for different classes of > train. Basically it has a low platform to which a raised section has been > added so the stop position ensures one door is at this postition. This could be one of the ca

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Philip Barnes
On Sun, 2020-08-09 at 17:38 +0300, Alexey Zakharenkov wrote: > As a person who have been monitoring and fixing rapid transit > networks (primarity subways) for long I can say that railway > stop_positions make more headache than advantage. Most of > stop_positions look like here: > https://www.ope

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-09 Thread Alexey Zakharenkov
As a person who have been monitoring and fixing rapid transit networks (primarity subways) for long I can say that railway stop_positions make more headache than advantage. Most of stop_positions look like here: https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/7966822#map=19/35.70290/139.74568i.e. they resid

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 8. Aug 2020, at 14:26, Jo wrote: > > You could add all. WRT mapping the stop position I agree that adding them all would make sense. For the connection relation I believe it is not manageable to record and maintain this level of detail, and the practical gain is ver

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-08 Thread Jo
You could add all. My solution would be to add no stop_position nodes to the route relations. I would suffice with a single platform node that represents platform and has all the relevant details. That's not how train stops are mapped atm though, and some platforms are divided in zones. In that ca

Re: [Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-07 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Fri, 7 Aug 2020 at 20:54, Andy Townsend wrote: > https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12004813 is a > "public_transport=stop_position" for a local station and is part of > https://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/6396491 among other relations. > The problem is that train lengths vary, and there are

[Tagging] PTv2 public_transport=stop_position for stop positions that vary based on train length

2020-08-07 Thread Andy Townsend
Hello, This is a question that actually arose out of a "how to tag" argument that's come to the attention of the DWG in the USA, but it's actually easy to describe in terms of data in the UK that I'm familiar with, so I'll do that. https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/12004813 is a "public_tr