Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-27 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, I'm still puzzled about the right value to introduce (or to use as it exists)... Additionnaly to power=tower/pole, 2 main solutions sound good to me : 1 - Introduce brand new values man_made=power_tower/power_pole and start using them without any tower:type=* subcategories. + New tags, not

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-20 Thread François Lacombe
What to do regarding what ? To choose between power_tower or power_pole ? For a huge power tower it should be man_made=power_tower. IEC says it's not a voltage matter. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/19 Bryce Nesbitt

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-18 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, Power transmission refinement proposal have been updated with new values for man_made=*. No deprecation for power=* values. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_transmission_refinement More info on Talk.

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-17 Thread Janko Mihelić
I agree with the reasoning behind man_made=pole, but the semantic infrastructure behind osm is not yet strong enough. I think a second layer should be there, a semantic model which says what certain key-values actually mean, and which could be easily changed. The renderers could then be bound to

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 17/ago/2013, alle ore 11:03, Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com ha scritto: I think a second layer should be there, a semantic model which says what certain key-values actually mean, and which could be easily changed. this would allow for a whole new interpretation of the term map

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-17 Thread François Lacombe
I totally agree with Janko. A meta-tagging model will allow more agility when tag a replaced or deprecated. *François Lacombe* francois dot lacombe At telecom-bretagne dot eu http://www.infos-reseaux.com 2013/8/17 Janko Mihelić jan...@gmail.com I agree with the reasoning behind

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John Sturdy
I'd prefer to indicate a transformer mounted on a pole with either: power=transformer layer=1 or power=pole transformer=yes with a preference for the former. __John ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer to indicate a transformer mounted on a pole with either: power=transformer layer=1 : with a preference for the former. You didn't catch that the node is primarily tagged with power=pole (or tower). Then you

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer to indicate a transformer mounted on a pole with either: power=transformer layer=1 You didn't catch that the node is primarily tagged with

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread François Lacombe
2013/8/16 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: I'd prefer to indicate a transformer mounted on a pole with either: power=transformer layer=1 : with a preference for the former. You didn't catch that the node is primarily

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 2:45 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: No, neither of those; I meant to use just exactly those two tags, on just one node, and have the presence of the pole be implied by the layer=1 indicating that the transformer is not on the ground, rather than being

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John F. Eldredge
If you have the layer=1 on the node, renderers may decide that the entire node, including the pole, are on layer 1. John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:14 PM, John Sturdy jcg.stu...@gmail.com

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-16 Thread John Sturdy
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 3:53 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: If you have the layer=1 on the node, renderers may decide that the entire node, including the pole, are on layer 1. Good point! Agreed. __John ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread François Lacombe
Hi guys, many thanks for your answers. @Martin : It would be ok since man_made=tower is dedicated to more particular structures than common power towers. What about man_made=power_tower ? We would move all tag from tower:* namespace to power_tower:* too (for design, type, colors...) @Pieren I

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread Pieren
On Wed, Aug 14, 2013 at 10:59 AM, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu wrote: Should I take care of power=transformer, transformer=yes, transformer:power:tower=yes, power:tower:transformer=yes, transformer=distribution ? On the wiki, you should document that the transformer

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 14/ago/2013, alle ore 01:40, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com ha scritto: Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net writes: I would prefer that you didn't pretend we will deprecate a tag so widely used just so a small proportion of them can have another power tag on it when we can easily just

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread François Lacombe
All we are discussing about here is hypothetical. I didn't update the power transmission proposal yet and I'm not sure I'll do. Let's say it's just a big wish. I think it's dangerous to let the well established stuff prevailing. We had this problem on power=line, now on power=pole/tower (not to

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-14 Thread fly
Am 14.08.2013 11:58, schrieb François Lacombe: All we are discussing about here is hypothetical. I didn't update the power transmission proposal yet and I'm not sure I'll do. Let's say it's just a big wish. I think it's dangerous to let the well established stuff prevailing. We had this

[Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread François Lacombe
Hi, A long discussion with multiple ideas given is currently taking place about power poles and hosted features on the talk feed of the Substation refinement proposal. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Proposed_features/Substation_refinement#Transformer_type As explained in

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread fly
Hey Francois +10 for deprecating power=tower/pole and tag them what they are: a tower or a pole. On 13.08.2013 16:31, François Lacombe wrote: A long discussion with multiple ideas given is currently taking place about power poles and hosted features on the talk feed of the Substation

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 4:31 PM, François Lacombe Many tricks promote some extra tags like power=pole + transformer=distribution (power=transformer is here implicit) but they sound like tricks to me. It's not unusual in OSM. See shop=organicor shop=supermarket+organic=yes; See amenity=bar or

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 13/ago/2013, alle ore 16:31, François Lacombe francois.laco...@telecom-bretagne.eu ha scritto: Another possibility would be to deprecate power=pole and power=tower and use man_made=pole and man_made=tower+tower:type=power It would allow us to have nodes with man_made=pole +

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread Chris Hill
I would prefer that you didn't pretend we will deprecate a tag so widely used just so a small proportion of them can have another power tag on it when we can easily just add transformer=yes or something similar. Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Il giorno 13/ago/2013, alle ore

Re: [Tagging] Power poles tower : power vs man_made

2013-08-13 Thread Andreas Labres
power=tower ... 4'667'869 power=pole . 1'144'985 Looks established. It makes no sense (and there is IMHO no need) to change these. /al ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging