Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/10 Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Simone Saviolo simone.savi...@gmail.com wrote: if we make a system that any newcomer can use completely without even having to dwelve into the details, then we're basically dumbing it down and limiting its

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Tobias Knerr
Simone Saviolo wrote: Ok, but there are use cases where simple things don't suffice. In the case at hand, for example, using something like direction=forward doesn't work in all the use cases. And using direction=angle in degrees is in no way simpler (can you figure a newcomer trying to work

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-10 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/10 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de Simone Saviolo wrote: Ok, but there are use cases where simple things don't suffice. In the case at hand, for example, using something like direction=forward doesn't work in all the use cases. And using direction=angle in degrees is in no way

[Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 10:11 AM, Ilya Zverev zve...@textual.ru wrote: Of course. When you get to the road you'll see its surface and lane count, Lane count and surface are useful for many things: For routing, for rendering, for analyzing traffic and capacity. Tell me what direction is useful

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Pieren
On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: A big +1. I'm afraid that people promoting relations (once they understand the concept, they want to use it everywhere) are not the one editing often the map data ... Pieren ___

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/9 Pieren pier...@gmail.com On Tue, Aug 9, 2011 at 4:44 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote: A big +1. I'm afraid that people promoting relations (once they understand the concept, they want to use it everywhere) are not the one editing often the map data ... -1. I use them

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Relations are overused in OSM, and it causes a huge amount of difficulty in spreading mapping. I am often editing relations that other people make; they're often broken. They're broken because it's hard to make them correctly, and fixing a relation

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Mike N
On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Relations make the map hard to work with. Agree - one of the barriers to entry by new mappers is the complexity. We need to do everything possible to keep it simple and usable. And not just by creating ever-more-complex models and updating

Re: [Tagging] Relations (was directions)

2011-08-09 Thread Simone Saviolo
2011/8/9 Mike N nice...@att.net On 8/9/2011 10:44 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Relations make the map hard to work with. Agree - one of the barriers to entry by new mappers is the complexity. We need to do everything possible to keep it simple and usable. And not just by creating