Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-31 Thread Colin Smale
> 2012/10/30 Colin Smale : >> There is also the >> "destination" tag set which covers the ref "as signposted", allowing the >> ref=* to reflect the actual administrative ID. >> >> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination > > If you mean by "destination tag set" the key destination:ref I'l

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-31 Thread Martin Vonwald
2012/10/30 Colin Smale : > There is also the > "destination" tag set which covers the ref "as signposted", allowing the > ref=* to reflect the actual administrative ID. > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination If you mean by "destination tag set" the key destination:ref I'll agree. B

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-30 Thread Colin Smale
> * Andrew Errington [2012-10-24 14:49 +0900]: > > I think it's incredibly relevant whether it's included on the sign. I > suspect that the vast majority of people who use maps with reference > numbers on them use those maps for navigation. I think such people would > primarily be interested in

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-30 Thread Phil! Gold
* Andrew Errington [2012-10-24 14:49 +0900]: > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > > using something like "ref:unsigned=OH 315C" to mean "this road is part of > > Ohio state route 315C but the signs don't say so" sounds perfectly sane to > > me. > > It doesn't sound sane to

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-24 Thread James Mast
> Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2012 16:26:11 -0400 > From: nice...@att.net > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link > > On 10/23/2012 4:10 PM, Johan C wrote: > > c) it quite often will be impossible for any (present/future) routing > >

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-24 Thread James Mast
> Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2012 14:49:57 +0900 > From: erringt...@gmail.com > To: tagging@openstreetmap.org > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link > > > Richard didn't say he uses that key *because* it's not rendered; he > > uses it because it makes sens

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 2:10 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: > > On Oct 24, 2012 12:25 AM, "Andrew Errington" wrote: >> >> On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Welty >> wrote: >> > this is why i don't put New York State Reference Route numbers in the >> > ref tag, i put them in ref:unsigned whic

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 24, 2012 12:25 AM, "Andrew Errington" wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > > this is why i don't put New York State Reference Route numbers in the > > ref tag, i put them in ref:unsigned which isn't rendered. > > Isn't that simply tagging for the renderer? A

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Andrew Errington
On Wed, Oct 24, 2012 at 10:31 AM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 10/23/12 9:15 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >> >> If a motorway link is part of a route (one needs to actually drive on the >> link to continue on the route) then I put the ref for that route on the >> link. Otherwise, no ref tag. >> > i agr

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/23/12 11:52 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: On Oct 23, 2012 9:32 PM, "Richard Welty" wrote: by convention, ref tags get rendered on the map I think the main Mapnik rendering does not render ref on highway=*_link, actually. in some sense, that's helpful, in another, it's not. richard

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread David ``Smith''
On Oct 23, 2012 9:32 PM, "Richard Welty" wrote: > by convention, ref tags get rendered on the map I think the main Mapnik rendering does not render ref on highway=*_link, actually. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstre

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Oct 23, 2012 8:32 PM, "Richard Welty" wrote: > > On 10/23/12 9:15 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: >> >> If a motorway link is part of a route (one needs to actually drive on the >> link to continue on the route) then I put the ref for that route on the >> link. Otherwise, no ref tag. >> > i agree. >

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Richard Welty
On 10/23/12 9:15 PM, David ``Smith'' wrote: If a motorway link is part of a route (one needs to actually drive on the link to continue on the route) then I put the ref for that route on the link. Otherwise, no ref tag. i agree. by convention, ref tags get rendered on the map and users of the m

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread David ``Smith''
If a motorway link is part of a route (one needs to actually drive on the link to continue on the route) then I put the ref for that route on the link. Otherwise, no ref tag. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.or

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Mike N
On 10/23/2012 4:10 PM, Johan C wrote: c) it quite often will be impossible for any (present/future) routing engine to always predict the right exit number based on the motorway_junction ref. Imagine a more complicated junction. These may use y-splits where one highway=motorway is split into two h

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Johan C
Well, Andrews suggestion is a bit problematic. 1. in reality, the motorway_links are a official part of the motorway. Just look at the signs on the side of the motorway_link. Thus, it should be possible to use ref=A15 for example on a motorway_link. 2. a motorway entry would be quite simple for a

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Colin Smale
Why make exceptions? Let's keep the rules as simple as possible (but not simpler). Routes are always relations anyway, to allow ways to be part of multiple routes. Legislating that a motorway_link should never have a ref tag, is a rule which is asking to be broken a million times. I try never to r

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Toby Murray
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 12:00 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Andrew Errington > wrote: >> >> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:47:40 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: >> > Hi! >> > >> > I'm wondering what ref should be used on slip roads/ramps of a motorway >> > (not the junction no

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Oct 23, 2012 at 6:07 AM, Andrew Errington wrote: > On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:47:40 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: > > Hi! > > > > I'm wondering what ref should be used on slip roads/ramps of a motorway > > (not the junction node, but the way tagged with motorway_link). Up to now > > I've seen

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-23 Thread Andrew Errington
On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 14:47:40 Martin Vonwald (imagic) wrote: > Hi! > > I'm wondering what ref should be used on slip roads/ramps of a motorway > (not the junction node, but the way tagged with motorway_link). Up to now > I've seen: * the reference of the junction > * the reference of the motorway >

Re: [Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-22 Thread Colin Smale
Hi Martin, First and foremost, tags applied to an object should of course refer to that object. I normally interpret the "ref" tag on a ROAD as "the reference ID of that ROAD as designated by the powers-that-be". Motorway slip roads are (in my experience in UK/NL) administratively speaking an extr

[Tagging] Tag ref on motorway_link

2012-10-22 Thread Martin Vonwald (imagic)
Hi! I'm wondering what ref should be used on slip roads/ramps of a motorway (not the junction node, but the way tagged with motorway_link). Up to now I've seen: * the reference of the junction * the reference of the motorway * the reference of the junction not in the ref tag but in junction:ref *