Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-02-12 Thread Christopher Hoess
That's somewhat overstates the case. Adoption vs. non-adoption is the acid test of whether a proposal is acceptable or not, but the laissez-faire approach does let the tagging get stuck in local minima. For instance, the initial development of railway mashed together several distinct and

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-02-12 Thread Paul Johnson
You're missing the point. OSM is already a meritocracy and tagging schemes either float or they don't, in the wild, under their own merit. There's no reforms that could be made to change this short of locking out the ability to use key and value combinations that aren't anointed. Good luck with

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-02-12 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 6:57 AM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: You're missing the point. OSM is already a meritocracy and tagging schemes either float or they don't, in the wild, under their own merit. There's no reforms that could be made to change this short of locking out the

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-02-11 Thread Warin
On 2/02/2015 4:34 AM, Paul Johnson wrote: On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com mailto:daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Nobody votes because it's a borderline pointless endeavor. Yep. Thus things don't get approved due to lack of votes because few

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-02-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 10:44 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: And it seems for the most part, the tags with the most staying power seem to be ones that were natural fits, and *then* were documented *how they're actually used* in the wiki retroactively. A mostly +1 on that.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-02-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Jan 24, 2015 at 8:00 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: +1 Nobody votes because it's a borderline pointless endeavor. I joined this group to effect changes in tagging things of interest to me. But the discussions inevitably go round and round with nary a thing getting

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-26 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 24/01/2015, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: Nobody votes because it's a borderline pointless endeavor. I'd like to defend the voting system a bit. In my opinion it's working fine. The only issue is that people have wrong expectations as to what voting provides. As has already

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-24 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
And it seems for the most part, the tags with the most staying power seem to be ones that were natural fits, and *then* were documented *how they're actually used* in the wiki retroactively. A mostly +1 on that. The *problem* tags however are the ones with murky meaning, that can never be

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-24 Thread Jonathan Bennett
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Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-24 Thread Serge Wroclawski
There seems to be conflation of this list as having some kind of administrative function. It doesn't. This isn't an OSMF working group, it's a discussion list, and as such there is no administrative function for this list beyond the boundraries of the voting process on the wiki. In OSM, official

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-24 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Martin, Let me elaborate on what I mean by this not being the right forum. I agree with you that it should be. The problem is that in my time on this list- I've seen some pretty wacky ideas that go against what I think most OSMers would consider good tagging. I'd be worried about the results.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging Voting system- time for reform?

2015-01-23 Thread johnw
On Jan 24, 2015, at 11:04 AM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: On 1/23/15 8:37 PM, Warin wrote: Yes .. it makes the admin more complex. But it will get some to say something, and get others off the group. Flame away. i do not think it appropriate for the membership of this