Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-21 Thread Pieren
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:37 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: - Approval does not imply enforcement. I don't know why you'd think that. Just because we have rules doesn't mean anyone particularly enforces them. You can always claim that every one is free to use his own rules. But

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-21 Thread Phil! Gold
* John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com [2012-02-19 14:13 -0600]: I take it, then, that there are some watercourses tagged as streams, but named XXX River, and there are some watercourses tagged as rivers, but named XXX Stream or XXX Creek? It's what I've done, based on my understanding of the

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-21 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi Chris, Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 15:53 + schrieb Chris Hill: I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are free to use *any* tags they like. There are no such things as deprecated tags, tagging is

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-21 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Montag, den 20.02.2012, 20:11 + schrieb Chris Hill: On 19/02/12 23:38, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hillo...@raggedred.net wrote: I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-20 Thread Chris Hill
On 19/02/12 23:38, Steve Bennett wrote: On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hillo...@raggedred.net wrote: I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are free to use *any* tags they like. ... Advertise your

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-20 Thread Steve Bennett
On Tue, Feb 21, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: No. It implies some official status that leads people to remove other tags, sometimes with mass edits. IMHO that doesn't follow at all. If people are doing unwanted mass edits, then we should find a way to discourage them.

[Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Hi all, the relation type=waterway proposal was written long times ago but never formally approved: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway The relation is widely used as you can see in statistics: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway#Tools It

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. Februar 2012 10:47 schrieb Werner Hoch werner...@gmx.de: Hi all, the relation type=waterway proposal was written long times ago but never formally approved: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Relations/Proposed/Waterway The relation is widely used as you can see in statistics:

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. there is this sentence: Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and becomes larger, then use the tag of the largest waterway (e.g. river). Well,

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 19. Februar 2012 12:16 schrieb Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Well, almost all rivers start small and become bigger ;-), but despite being small, don't they already start as rivers at their spring? No,

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Werner Hoch
Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 22:16 +1100 schrieb Steve Bennett: The proposal looks pretty sensible to me. I just wish there was a meaningful process we could follow. Probably what we really want to do is deprecate any alternative tagging schemes, and direct people to this one. As soon as the

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
On 19 Feb 2012, at 14:34, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: waterway=riverbank is an alternative way of mapping a waterway=river, and can coexist with it. +1, they are actually an additional way of tagging the extent. I still remain of the opinion that a river starts at its

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Chris Hill
On 19/02/12 11:56, Werner Hoch wrote: Am Sonntag, den 19.02.2012, 22:16 +1100 schrieb Steve Bennett: The proposal looks pretty sensible to me. I just wish there was a meaningful process we could follow. Probably what we really want to do is deprecate any alternative tagging schemes, and direct

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Josh Doe
On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:53 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how well it works any why it is better but don't use a phoney voting process ignored by the vast majority as a mandate for action. Voting is a valuable process.

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread John F. Eldredge
Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Before we vote, shouldn't we try to clean up the proposal? E.g. there is this sentence: Hint: If the waterway starts as a stream and becomes larger, then use the

Re: [Tagging] Voting for Relation type=waterway

2012-02-19 Thread Steve Bennett
On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 2:53 AM, Chris Hill o...@raggedred.net wrote: I do not agree with the whole basis of this thread. There are no such things as approved tags, tagging is open and people are free to use *any* tags they like. ... Advertise your ideas and encourage acceptance. Show how