Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-27 Thread SomeoneElse
On 07/08/2014 16:53, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: culvert isn't a bridge type at all (in my understanding), (on the other part of this) I'd agree that culvert isn't a type of bridge. I think that some of the confusion in OSM came from someone finding an old American drawing of a car

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: what else can I do? Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Vonwald
Hi! 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: what else can I do? Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more or less - consistent way. It provides useful data, is simple to tag, it

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 12/ago/2014, alle ore 14:02, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com ha scritto: I believe it's main purpose is to solve a known rendering problem in bridges. this is not at all limited to rendering, it is a question how to map a bridge - as long as we don't map it (but only imply

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Il giorno 12/ago/2014, alle ore 11:26, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com ha scritto: There were quite some odd cases, like bridge=drawbridge used to draw the outline of the bridge. I don't think that's odd but rather the preferable method to map a bridge (as opposed to map that a piece

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:12:07AM +0200, Martin Vonwald wrote: Hi! 2014-08-12 22:57 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: what else can I do? Maybe it's time to open up a change request for the main map style? The tag man_made=bridge seems to be used worldwide [1] in some - more

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread John Packer
Just noticed that some mappers resort to adding building=yes or similar to make it render at all. Note that bridges that are buildings actually exist. [1] But adding building=* to a bridge when it's not the case would be tagging (incorrectly) for the renderer. [1]:

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-13 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2014 at 09:25:33AM -0300, John Packer wrote: Just noticed that some mappers resort to adding building=yes or similar to make it render at all. Note that bridges that are buildings actually exist. [1] But adding building=* to a bridge when it's not the case would be

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 12:23:35AM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:57 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's worth mentioning that there's some non-survey-based editing going on:

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread John Packer
Richard, Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is related to this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge I believe it's main purpose is to solve a known rendering problem in bridges. Nowadays, when two or more parallel ways are

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread John Packer
PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. 2014-08-12 9:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com: Richard, Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is related to this proposal:

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:02:39AM -0300, John Packer wrote: Richard, Perhaps these cases in which the outline of the bridge was drawn is related to this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/man_made%3Dbridge yes, I am pretty sure it was a desperate attempt to make

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:06:02AM -0300, John Packer wrote: PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. I have removed the area around this one: https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/25397414 and filed this ticket as it did not render sanely:

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-12 Thread Richard Z.
another lamentable attempt is here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/way/241772803 what else can I do? Richard On Tue, Aug 12, 2014 at 09:06:02AM -0300, John Packer wrote: PS: If you removed these 'bridges as area', you probably should fix that. 2014-08-12 9:02 GMT-03:00 John Packer

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-11 Thread SomeoneElse
For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's worth mentioning that there's some non-survey-based editing going on: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24690099 Cheers, Andu ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-11 Thread Christopher Hoess
On Mon, Aug 11, 2014 at 7:57 PM, SomeoneElse li...@mail.atownsend.org.uk wrote: For the benefit of anyone looking at taginfo stats in this thread, it's worth mentioning that there's some non-survey-based editing going on: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/24690099 All bridge=drawbridge

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Aug 08, 2014 at 05:10:26PM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: Volker, There was a rather inconspicuous sentence at the end of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge linking to the additional bridge:... keys. I've reordered the introductory material in that page somewhat to make

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-09 Thread Christopher Hoess
On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: thanks, that looks much better now. Would it be fine to add the simple_suspension type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_suspension_bridge) to http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge:structure ? It appears

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-09 Thread Richard Z.
On Sat, Aug 09, 2014 at 09:21:46AM -0400, Christopher Hoess wrote: On Sat, Aug 9, 2014 at 8:25 AM, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: thanks, that looks much better now. Would it be fine to add the simple_suspension type (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simple_suspension_bridge)

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Aug 07, 2014 at 05:58:01PM +0200, Volker Schmidt wrote: Good old Wiipedia helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge#Types_of_bridges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_bridge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge wikipedia is clear on that but if you look at swing bridge

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 08/ago/2014 um 11:35 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: My idea was * abandon bridge=swing in favor of bridge=movable which could provide subtyping if someone really needed it. * introduce bridge=suspension bridge=simple_suspension I suggest to also look at previous

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Tobias Knerr
On 08.08.2014 11:35, Richard Z. wrote: My idea was * abandon bridge=swing in favor of bridge=movable which could provide subtyping if someone really needed it. We already have an approved proposal that provides this subtyping:

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Volker Schmidt
agreed That means producing a revised bridge wiki page that combines all info. Who does the work? :-( On 8 August 2014 13:07, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: On 08.08.2014 11:35, Richard Z. wrote: My idea was * abandon bridge=swing in favor of bridge=movable which could provide

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-08 Thread Christopher Hoess
Volker, There was a rather inconspicuous sentence at the end of http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bridge linking to the additional bridge:... keys. I've reordered the introductory material in that page somewhat to make it more clear that these additional options exist for adding detail about

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 17:25 GMT+02:00 Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Wondering what to do with that? With just 687 objects worldwide the problem would be easily fixable.. just how? I think tagging the type of bridge as road attribute might be an exxageration. We should start mapping bridges as

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Good old Wiipedia helps: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bridge#Types_of_bridges http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swing_bridge http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Suspension_bridge On 7 August 2014 17:25, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote: Those are radically different types of bridges.. comparing

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
Yes. That is a navigable aqueduct bridge. It is a structurally a viaduct with an aqueduct function on top. So how to map these two orthogonal properties of this bridge? I would map this as waterway=canal, bridge=viaduct, boat=yes, layer=x exactly as we do for a road bridge. If you want you can

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-08-07 19:06 GMT+02:00 Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk: An aqueduct is definitely a type of bridge, i.e. one carrying a waterway, usually a canal over a road, river or valley. The most famous, and scariest of them all http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontcysyllte_Aqueduct yes,

Re: [Tagging] bridge movable vs swing vs swinging

2014-08-07 Thread Volker Schmidt
On 7 August 2014 18:35, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: yes, aqueducts will usually also have bridges as parts of them (not all, some even run underground for instance). Not true. In California the aqueducts look like navigable canals, but carry drinking water. Still this