Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 27/07/18 20:44, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 27. Jul 2018, at 12:06, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: Looks like common entrances to me? Another alternative is residences? the first ones I posted some days ago had individual entrances, these are from an Internet

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2018, at 12:06, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > Looks like common entrances to me? > Another alternative is residences? the first ones I posted some days ago had individual entrances, these are from an Internet search and although they are similar,

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 27/07/18 19:36, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 27. Jul 2018, at 10:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com > wrote: If it is intended for more than one family (and the independent entrances give that feeling) then I'd not use "house" ..

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 27. Jul 2018, at 10:18, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > If it is intended for more than one family (and the independent entrances > give that feeling) then I'd not use "house" .. apartments perhaps? for me “apartments” means a place with a shared building

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 27/07/18 18:11, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 26. Jul 2018, at 22:48, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: maybe even adding to them as the pages are still pretty sparse on detail. we have to be careful when making the definitions more specific (adding detail will result

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 27/07/18 18:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 26. Jul 2018, at 22:48, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com > wrote: I went and updated the wiki a little bit. I added details to the building=house  

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 26. Jul 2018, at 22:48, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > maybe even adding to them as the pages are still pretty sparse on detail. we have to be careful when making the definitions more specific (adding detail will result in this), as there will be differences how

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 27/07/18 17:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 26. Jul 2018, at 19:47, Sebastian wrote: In Australia houses that share one or more walls with the next house (can be one or both sides) are called town houses town houses are a more recent variation of terraced houses.

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 26. Jul 2018, at 22:48, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I went and updated the wiki a little bit. I added details to the > building=house and you kept the „single dwelling“ paragraph. I’ve got no feedback on my previous mail about houses in villages (with

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 26. Jul 2018, at 19:47, Sebastian wrote: > > In Australia houses that share one or more walls with the next house (can be > one or both sides) are called town houses town houses are a more recent variation of terraced houses. The term usually describes luxury

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

I went and updated the wiki a little bit. I added details to the building=house and building=detached pages. I also made a page for the building=semidetached_house

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 26 July 2018 19:47:11 CEST, Sebastian wrote: >Thanks for this explanation. Detached sounds very strange to me. >Terrace house evokes in me the feeling of rice terraces or something >with a >distinct height difference between them. Terrace is a very common term and housing style in the UK,

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

Thanks for this explanation. Detached sounds very strange to me. Terrace house evokes in me the feeling of rice terraces or something with a distinct height difference between them. In Australia houses that share one or more walls with the next house (can be one or both sides) are called town

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 25. Jul 2018, at 00:11, Colin Smale wrote: > > But we must also not be tempted to force multiple concepts into a single tag > hierarchy. Before we start down that path, let us be clear what the hierarchy > is intended to represent, and what factors are in-scope (a

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 24. Jul 2018, at 09:36, Andrew Hain wrote: > > We can have building=bungalow but that is redundant when it just means > building:levels=1. I am still not sure building=bungalow really says nothing more than 1 floor, but if it did, it is ok. > > We can have

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 2018-07-24 23:51, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > We should not remove the details, and nuances in this field, data consumers > can deal with it, they will either treat all/most buildings the same (so it > doesn't matter to them anyway), or they could be specifically interested in >

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 24. Jul 2018, at 09:36, Andrew Hain wrote: > > That's what we do with some other types of buildings. We separate form from > function. We have industrial buildings > and then specify the industry. building=industrial is very poor tagging (armchair level of

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 24. Jul 2018, at 09:36, Andrew Hain wrote: > > -1, there are several established tags for residential buildings in osm, e.g. > apartments, > > The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them. We > have many tags for residential buildings > and

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 7/23/2018 5:56 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: On 23. Jul 2018, at 17:08, Jmapb wrote: woke up to the conclusion that the attached/detached/semi-detached distinction is not a great use of the building tag. As mentioned by André, we can literally see on the map if these house footprints

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 23/07/2018 14:00, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote it does not seem to be a very promising concept though. Terraced houses are usually seen as a compromise for people who want an independent house, but cannot afford a detached one. Terraced houses are cheaper because they need less ground

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

, strategy and related tools Subject: Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached. On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer mailto:dieterdre...@gmail.com>> wrote: > On 23. Jul 2018, at 17:07, Paul Allen > mailto:pla16...@gmail.com>> wrote: > > How about building=resi

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 23. Jul 2018, at 17:08, Jmapb wrote: > > woke up to the conclusion that the attached/detached/semi-detached > distinction is not a great use of the building tag. As mentioned by André, we > can literally see on the map if these house footprints are attached via >

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 10:45 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer < dieterdre...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > On 23. Jul 2018, at 17:07, Paul Allen wrote: > > > > How about building=residential to replace house/terrace/detached? > > > -1, there are several established tags for residential buildings in osm, >

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 23. Jul 2018, at 17:07, Paul Allen wrote: > > How about building=residential to replace house/terrace/detached? -1, there are several established tags for residential buildings in osm, e.g. apartments, and as the example shows, it isn’t possible to reliably identify

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 23. Jul 2018, at 17:02, Colin Smale wrote: > > The use of house=terrace may be justified for a transitional situation where > a whole terrace has been mapped as a single building and not yet split into > individual units. When it is split, it is just a house - the

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 7/23/2018 11:02 AM, Colin Smale wrote: Let's stop conflating concepts and worrying about what things are "called", and describe indisputable characteristics of objects, in this case how many floors and how/whether the dwelling is connected to its neighbours. The use of house=terrace may

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:00 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Maybe in the UK with its tradition of terraced houses there could be a > cultural interest in something like terraced bungalows and there is also an > energetic advantage from reducing external walls, but overall there’s > little

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

Martin, you might not agree with some of the past architectural choices in the UK, but the point is that a "single-floor dwelling" (i.e. ground floor only) is a called a bungalow, and this can exist in many forms. It can be detached, terraced, end-of-terrace or semi-detached. The last two can be

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 23. Jul 2018, at 14:13, Colin Smale wrote: > > The owner would say he lived in a bungalow. No stairs, ground floor only. > I don't think "terraced bungalow" exists as a phrase, but as a concept it > certainly does. it does not seem to be a very promising concept

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

The owner would say he lived in a bungalow. No stairs, ground floor only. I don't think "terraced bungalow" exists as a phrase, but as a concept it certainly does. On 23 July 2018 10:44:30 CEST, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >2018-07-23 6:17 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > >> >> In British English a

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 2:08 AM, Mike H <1jg...@gmail.com> wrote: > It seems that detached is supposed to be a more detailed value than house. > I went through as many house type values for building as I could find of > taginfo, and put them into a table quite a few of them look to be >

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

2018-07-23 6:17 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > > In British English a bungalow is a single storey dwelling, I. E. It refers > to the vertical axis. Nothing is implied about its juxtaposition. There are > also terraced bungalows. are "terraced bungalows" really part of the natural language, or is

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

2018-07-23 3:09 GMT+02:00 Jmapb : > > That's about the size of it. People will most likely continue tagging > freestanding houses as "house" because, hey, it's a house. Luckily, it's > not incorrect. I can imagine a theoretical mapper wanting to retag them as > "detached" instead, and I'd tell

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

sent from a phone > On 23. Jul 2018, at 01:27, André Pirard wrote: > > So, we have building=house and building=yes at least. > If we start using building=detached we no longer know if it's a house or a > plain building, do we? > So, detached is not a type of building but an attribute of it.

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 23 July 2018 04:09:03 EEST, Jmapb wrote: >On 7/22/2018 7:57 PM, Paul Allen wrote: >> You've (perhaps inadvertently) > >> Oh, and then there are bungalows and cottages, which count as houses >> in OSM, so are tagged as >> building=detached. > >Nb, the wiki does offer building=bungalow, and

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 7/22/2018 7:57 PM, Paul Allen wrote: You've (perhaps inadvertently) highlighted the problem.  A detached building looks like a house, so is tagged as building=detached.  A property in a terrace (row house in Merkin) doesn't look like a house, so is tagged as building=house. That's about

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

It seems that detached is supposed to be a more detailed value than house. I went through as many house type values for building as I could find of taginfo, and put them into a table quite a few of them look to be duplicates/typos. I've attached that table to this email. I used the parent column

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 7/22/2018 6:16 PM, Warin wrote: For a row of houses .. ie terrace houses there is https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:building%3Dterrace I disagree with the suggesting if they are individually mapped they should be tagged building=house, they are still a terrace so building=terrace

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On Mon, Jul 23, 2018 at 12:40 AM, marc marc wrote: building value is what the building look like. > +1 > a detached building is a building that look like a house > -9 :) You've (perhaps inadvertently) highlighted the problem. A detached building looks like a house, so is tagged as

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

Le 23. 07. 18 à 01:27, André Pirard a écrit : > If we start using building=detached we no longer know if it's > a house or a plain building, do we? > So, detached is not a type of building but an attribute of it. > Else, we would use building=detached for a church. building value is what the

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 2018-07-22 20:56, Mike H wrote: The definitions of building=house and building=detached on the wiki are very similar and don't seem to have any meaningful difference. I've seen people say that house is meant for rowhouses, and detached should be for stand-alone houses, but there is no

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

:30 *To:* Tag discussion, strategy and related tools *Subject:* Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached. Probably the reason can be explained etymologically. In the UK, terraced houses (AmE row houses) are very common, so those lucky enough to hear less noise from their neighbours emphasize

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 22/07/2018 21:27, Tom Pfeifer wrote: Probably the reason can be explained etymologically. In the UK, terraced houses (AmE row houses) are very common, so those lucky enough to hear less noise from their neighbours emphasize that by owning a 'detached' (not attached to a terrace) or

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

= house vs detached. Probably the reason can be explained etymologically. In the UK, terraced houses (AmE row houses) are very common, so those lucky enough to hear less noise from their neighbours emphasize that by owning a 'detached' (not attached to a terrace) or 'semi-detached' (two houses

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

Probably the reason can be explained etymologically. In the UK, terraced houses (AmE row houses) are very common, so those lucky enough to hear less noise from their neighbours emphasize that by owning a 'detached' (not attached to a terrace) or 'semi-detached' (two houses sharing a wall)

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On Sun, Jul 22, 2018 at 9:51 PM Jmapb wrote: > > I know that in the USA, it's very common to see detached houses tagged > as building=house, and there have been lots of mappers and imports of > house footprints using this tag. Possibly related to the fact that the > term "detached" is not used

Re: [Tagging] building = house vs detached.

On 7/22/2018 2:56 PM, Mike H wrote: The definitions of building=house and building=detached on the wiki are very similar and don't seem to have any meaningful difference. I've seen people say that house is meant for rowhouses, and detached should be for stand-alone houses, but there is no

[Tagging] building = house vs detached.

The definitions of building=house and building=detached on the wiki are very similar and don't seem to have any meaningful difference. I've seen people say that house is meant for rowhouses, and detached should be for stand-alone houses, but there is no documentation that explains that. If that