Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-19 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 18.08.2015 um 22:54 schrieb John Willis jo...@mac.com: What if its grass along a (maintained) river embankment, but roped off so no one can walk on it, as it is not a park? meadow? what's the use there? slow down the erosion? What about the grass surrounding an

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-18 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
2015-08-17 18:50 GMT+02:00 Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: Or landuse=flowerbed and possibly species=Mesembryanthemum crystallinum. There is already leisure=garden. It (or [leisure=garden, gerden=flowerbed] or maybe leisure=flowerbed) would be far better than yet another too detailed landuse

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-18 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 18.08.2015 um 10:51 schrieb Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: There is already leisure=garden. It (or [leisure=garden, gerden=flowerbed] or maybe leisure=flowerbed) would be far better than yet another too detailed landuse value. there are also garden:type

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-18 Thread John Willis
On Aug 18, 2015, at 8:27 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: landuse=street_decoration What if its grass along a (maintained) river embankment, but roped off so no one can walk on it, as it is not a park? What about the grass surrounding an airport (Narita's is well

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-17 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 17.08.2015 00:29, John Willis wrote: This is the crux of the landcover argument. Because landuse=* implies what the land is used for - therefore man-altered and decided usefulness. natural=* was then interpreted by taggers to be the opposite - the natural state of the land which was

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-17 Thread John Willis
Then we can create some biome tags to handle more complex tagging, but being able to define commonly encountered landcovers is necessary. My city has huge flood control embankmnets along the natural river in certain places. There is abandoned sections of asphalt and concrete in patches in odd

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-16 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 16.08.2015 09:06, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'm not very good at refraining from replying to trolls, but I think this time I have to do it... This is not the first time you refrain from replying when it comes to a definition of your landcover=* key. You simply have not managed to make up a

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 16.08.2015 um 01:41 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: That depends on observation time. E.g. much of Europe is covered by fog in Autumn. So this will be landcover=fog. I'm not very good at refraining from replying to trolls, but I think this time I have to

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-16 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 16.08.2015 04:00, Daniel Koć wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landcover There is no definition of the landcover=* key. The page features a wide range of keys including amenity=* and tourism=*. Even if there were a definition, it would be the wrong place. The definition belongs to

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-16 Thread John Willis
On Aug 16, 2015, at 7:00 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: Not everything is use. E.h. hazard=* is rather the opposite of use. Most natural=* features denote what's there, not how it is used. Well, you *can* use a swamp, but if you don't use it, it is a swamp anyway, so this is

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-15 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 16.08.2015 1:27, Friedrich Volkmann napisał(a): No, because the landcover=* key is just nonsense. There is no definition for http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Landcover that key. What does landcover mean? Vegetation? Soil? Atmosphere? Buildings? Ocean? Everything we map is

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-15 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 10.08.2015 12:29, Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: A pity - I just happen to have a problem that this proposal would solve... Take a look at this charming corner of Normandy: http://binged.it/1ht3p7v On the left, a dense urban location that is clearly landuse=residential. On the right, what is

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-15 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 16.08.2015 um 00:59 schrieb Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at: The landuse may be grass, but the landcover isn't just grass. grass isn't a use, landuse=grass is nonsense.(IMHO) landcover=x doesn't mean there is only x, it says the area appears as covered with x and

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-15 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 16.08.2015 01:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: grass isn't a use, landuse=grass is nonsense.(IMHO) Why, the land is used to grow grass. Thus, landuse=grass. landcover=x doesn't mean there is only x, it says the area appears as covered with x That depends on observation time. E.g. much of

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-15 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 03.08.2015 00:55, Daniel Koć wrote: I have just discovered that while landcover=trees has no Wiki page, it's quite established tag (I wouldn't say popular here, because it's just about 1% of forest/wood uses) and we could officially define as a generic tag for trees areas, when it's not

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-15 Thread Dave F.
If the grass is municipally maintained the I use landuse=grass (I'm on the fence about using landcover). If I have the time or inclination I'll separate it from residential with a multipolygon relation. If it private then I mark it as landuse=residential probably leave it at that. If you ant

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-10 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 03.08.2015 11:59, Tom Pfeifer napisał(a): christian.pietz...@googlemail.com wrote on 2015-08-03 09:20: landcover=trees has it's origins in this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover The proposal wanted to seperate the phsyical landscape (landcover)

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-10 Thread Jean-Marc Liotier
On 03/08/2015 09:20, christian.pietz...@googlemail.com wrote: landcover=trees has it's origins in this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover The proposal wanted to seperate the phsyical landscape (landcover) from the cultural landscape (landuse). But the

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-10 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 10.08.2015 12:29, Jean-Marc Liotier napisał(a): To me, it seems that mapping this area as a combination of landuse=residential and landcover=grass would be most fitting. I have thought about using the landuse=residential + natural=grass combination instead, but those lawns do not strike

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-10 Thread Lauri Kytömaa
Jean-Marc Liotier wrote: landuse=residential + natural=grass combination instead, but those lawns do not strike me as natural. The grass is natural (plants), unless it's some sort of man made plastic artificial grass imitation). The key natural never was only about geographical features, nor

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-03 Thread Tom Pfeifer
christian.pietz...@googlemail.com wrote on 2015-08-03 09:20: landcover=trees has it's origins in this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover The proposal wanted to seperate the phsyical landscape (landcover) from the cultural landscape (landuse). But the

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-03 Thread christian.pietz...@googlemail.com
landcover=trees has it's origins in this proposal: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover The proposal wanted to seperate the phsyical landscape (landcover) from the cultural landscape (landuse). But the proposal never got the support it needed to get established. cheers

Re: [Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-03 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone Am 03.08.2015 um 00:55 schrieb Daniel Koć daniel@koć.pl: landcover=trees has no Wiki page, it does http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/landcover it's quite established tag (I wouldn't say popular here, because it's just about 1% of forest/wood

[Tagging] landcover=trees definition

2015-08-02 Thread Daniel Koć
I have just discovered that while landcover=trees has no Wiki page, it's quite established tag (I wouldn't say popular here, because it's just about 1% of forest/wood uses) and we could officially define as a generic tag for trees areas, when it's not clear for the mapper if it's natural or