Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-15 Thread Morten Kjeldgaard
On 07/10/2010, at 19.29, Nathan Edgars II wrote: I like it. Presumably it's to be precise - you draw only the area that's covered by said landcover, as opposed to landuse which can include small amounts of others within its boundaries. The following landuse values should then be landcover:

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/10/7 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: Not everything in a national forest is covered by trees, yet the standard way of tagging one is landuse=forest on an area. Actually forest should IMHO be used for

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/10/7 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de: I'd forgotten about that--good point.  Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. There's nothing to limit it to roads - it describes the surface of a feature. For example, the natural=beach wiki page recommends

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/10/8 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: still it isn't at all a forest. It is a forest - a clearing within a forest. There is no point in tagging it as a forest. I know that you can generalize it like this. It's the same point as with a lake inside a forest. Is the lake part of the

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-09 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:55 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/10/8 Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com: still it isn't at all a forest. It is a forest - a clearing within a forest. There is no point in tagging it as a forest. I know that you can generalize it like

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-09 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
2010/10/8 André Riedel riedel.an...@gmail.com: I like the values from last email discussion:don't http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk/2009-July/038774.html some are fine, some are not (cave_entrance, beach, cave, coastline, basin, ...) let's not mix functions with landcover. How

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-08 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 08.10.2010 00:05, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: still it isn't at all a forest. landuse forest is a documented tag for forests and forests means an area with trees. all the other areas you will find in a national forest have well defined tags natural/landuse=wood,glacier,heat,meadow,shrub

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-08 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 08.10.2010 07:17, Stephen Hope wrote: On 8 October 2010 03:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current feeling for a new key landcover? Could resolve many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual use and coverage. As long as it is made clear that

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-08 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 07.10.2010 23:22, Nathan Edgars II wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de wrote: of border line, but the areas where trees grow as forest. So the national park should be tagged as boundary=national_park or similiar. It's not a national park, but a

[Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread M∡rtin Koppenhoefer
I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-) What is the current feeling for a new key landcover? Could resolve many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual use and coverage. Seems like there is already landcover=tree in the database:

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:09 PM, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: I know we already talked about this, but actually no actions followed ;-) What is the current feeling for a new key landcover? Could resolve many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual use and coverage.

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: In general, I like the idea. But I don't think the agricultural tags should be changed from landuse--they describe how the land is used. For example, forest describes what covers the land (trees), while orchard

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:53 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:50 PM, Brad Neuhauser brad.neuhau...@gmail.com wrote: In general, I like the idea. But I don't think the agricultural tags should be changed from landuse--they describe how the land is used.

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:05 PM, Colin Smale colin.sm...@xs4all.nl wrote: Could this not be collapsed into with surface=*? If not, what would be the relationship/difference

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.comwrote: Not everything in a national forest is covered by trees, yet the standard way of tagging one is landuse=forest on an area. some tag it like this but this is entirely wrong. National forest defines the ownership but

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Dave F.
On 07/10/2010 19:56, Tobias Knerr wrote: Brad Neuhauser wrote: I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. There's nothing to limit it to roads - it describes the surface of a feature. For example, the natural=beach

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 2:17 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 10:53 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: Not everything in a national forest is covered by trees, yet the standard way of tagging one is landuse=forest on an area. some tag it

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Brad Neuhauser
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:56 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote: Brad Neuhauser wrote: I'd forgotten about that--good point. Although surface as currently used seems to be mainly in the context of roads. There's nothing to limit it to roads - it describes the surface of a

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Ralf Kleineisel
On 10/07/2010 10:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: That's why it's landuse=forest, not landcover=forest. A landuse=residential area isn't all houses (it includes yards, That's why it is not landuse=house. A landuse=residential contains all things that belong to a typical residential area, like

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 4:55 PM, Ralf Kleineisel r...@kleineisel.de wrote: I know that legally a field may belong to a national forest, but it shouldn't be tagged as a forest because it isn't one. It is a part of a managed forest. Every topographic or street map I know would show a border of a

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Oct 7, 2010 at 1:22 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: That's why it's landuse=forest, not landcover=forest. A landuse=residential area isn't all houses (it includes yards, driveways, garages, streets, sidewalks) and a landuse=forest area isn't all trees. still it

Re: [Tagging] new Key proposal: landcover

2010-10-07 Thread Stephen Hope
On 8 October 2010 03:09, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: What is the current feeling for a new key landcover? Could resolve many issues, as often landuse is a mixture of actual use and coverage. As long as it is made clear that not all landuse= tags are actually landuse (or