Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 26.02.2014 13:23, schrieb Richard Welty: i'm currently tinkering with what will be come a proposal to modify current hydrant tagging. my thinking is to add fire_hydrant:water_source={main,pond,stream,standpipe} and deprecate fire_hydrant:type=pond no objections except 'standpipe' - see

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Philip Barnes
I also disagree with standpipe, in UK usage a standpipe is an emergency source of water provided for residents if mains water if off for some reason. Phil (trigpoint) -- Sent from my Nokia N9 On 27/02/2014 9:37 Georg Feddern wrote: Am 26.02.2014 13:23, schrieb Richard Welty: i'm currently

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/27/14 4:37 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 26.02.2014 13:23, schrieb Richard Welty: then the issue is whether we want to modify fire_hydrant:type or replace it with a different tag altogether, say fire_hydrant:delivery if we keep type, should we replace pillar with plug or fire_plug or just

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Andreas Labres
Richard, fire_hydrant:type should remain unchanged, as this is negotiated with local fire departments here in Austria (as well as Germany). At least this is true for pillar and underground, those are most common and most important. Then there are fixed suction points, either from a pond or from

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/27/14 2:36 PM, Andreas Labres wrote: Richard, fire_hydrant:type should remain unchanged, as this is negotiated with local fire departments here in Austria (as well as Germany). At least this is true for pillar and underground, those are most common and most important. i now am

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread John F. Eldredge
Color-coding is likely used by the fire department to signify matters such as how much water-flow is available. I don't know how standardized these color codes are, however. On February 27, 2014 1:36:48 PM CST, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: Richard, fire_hydrant:type should remain

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-27 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/27/14 2:56 PM, John F. Eldredge wrote: Color-coding is likely used by the fire department to signify matters such as how much water-flow is available. I don't know how standardized these color codes are, however. there are standards published by the AWWA (American Water Works

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-26 Thread Georg Feddern
Am 25.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Richard Welty: i'm wondering if anyone can speak to where the tagging for fire_hydrant:type came from? AFAIK the Germans are guilty again - and I plea myself for not-guilty. ;-) (see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Fire_Hydrant and their

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-26 Thread Richard Welty
On 2/26/14 3:30 AM, Georg Feddern wrote: Am 25.02.2014 17:08, schrieb Richard Welty: i'm wondering if anyone can speak to where the tagging for fire_hydrant:type came from? AFAIK the Germans are guilty again - and I plea myself for not-guilty. ;-) (see

[Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-25 Thread Richard Welty
i'm wondering if anyone can speak to where the tagging for fire_hydrant:type came from? i'm seeing two issues with it right now. one is that it conflates two concepts that probably should be separated, the physical delivery method, e.g. fire_hydrant:type=pillar and the water source

Re: [Tagging] origin of some fire_hydrant tagging

2014-02-25 Thread Tod Fitch
I wonder if there might be some regional variation in the US: I've always thought of them as fire hydrants rather than fire plugs. Looks like fire plug might be an older term and technology maybe coming out of England based on the introductory paragraph at