Re: [Tagging] shop=gun shop=guns shop=weapons shop=firearms

On 27/6/23 18:47, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 26 Jun 2023, at 20:50, Minh Nguyen wrote: For what it's worth, the Sporting Goods Retailers subindustry in NAICS includes "gun shops". what’s the category for multi role combat aircraft or heavy battletanks? NATO had a

Re: [Tagging] shop=gun shop=guns shop=weapons shop=firearms

On Wed, 28 Jun 2023 at 07:42, Minh Nguyen wrote: > Vào lúc 01:47 2023-06-27, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết: > > what’s the category for multi role combat aircraft or heavy battletanks? > > Why do you ask? 樂 > So they can be listed as shop=weapons, perhaps? :-) Thanks Graeme

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Vào lúc 01:47 2023-06-27, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết: On 26 Jun 2023, at 20:50, Minh Nguyen wrote: For what it's worth, the Sporting Goods Retailers subindustry in NAICS includes "gun shops". what’s the category for multi role combat aircraft or heavy battletanks? Aircraft artillery

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sent from a phone > On 26 Jun 2023, at 20:50, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > For what it's worth, the Sporting Goods Retailers subindustry in NAICS > includes "gun shops". what’s the category for multi role combat aircraft or heavy battletanks? ___

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Jun 20, 2023, 06:35 by matkoni...@tutanota.com: > Jun 20, 2023, 01:36 by g...@lexort.com: > >> In English, the adjective for the shop tends to be singular, when that >> adjective is a noun. The plural just sounds funny. For example we have >> "car dealer", "grocery store", "grocery store",

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My point, and I think it is "well-absorbed" by the thread and its participants, is not that we must get all hyper-legal about any or every tag, but rather that in the case of shop=firearms, this would-be tag is TOO legal and not generic enough, while shop=guns (or gun, I could go either way but

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Minh Nguyen writes: > I for one support the drawing of hyperblobs. Thanks; I was pretty sure I was not alone. > If we look at our existing repertoire of shop=* values, it's pretty > clear that we aim for plain language when possible, although we do > sometimes fall short. > > shop=curtain, not

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Vào lúc 05:14 2023-06-26, Greg Troxel đã viết: Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging writes: and therefore a poor terms to use in OSM (like shop=firearms apparently) "Firearm" is first a technical term, and secondarily (and relatively recently) a legal one. The reason that's not a good word to use

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Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging writes: >> So I find the attention to legal definitions in the present discussion >> bizarre. >> > That is a different situation. > > shop=medical_cannabis would be analogous to shop=firearms > as it is a legal term (if I understood it right) with variety of

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Jun 25, 2023, 01:13 by g...@lexort.com: > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 24 Jun 2023, at 00:29, Minh Nguyen wrote: >>> >>> But if we focus too pedantically on legal status at the expense of >>> common sense, then we've reinvented designation=*, and mappers and

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Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> On 24 Jun 2023, at 00:29, Minh Nguyen wrote: >> >> But if we focus too pedantically on legal status at the expense of >> common sense, then we've reinvented designation=*, and mappers and >> data consumers have to find yet another key to

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sent from a phone > On 24 Jun 2023, at 00:29, Minh Nguyen wrote: > > But if we focus too pedantically on legal status at the expense of common > sense, then we've reinvented designation=*, and mappers and data consumers > have to find yet another key to express what could've been in

Re: [Tagging] shop=gun shop=guns shop=weapons shop=firearms

Vào lúc 10:23 2023-06-22, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging đã viết: Jun 21, 2023, 15:51 by g...@lexort.com: It is absolutely the wrong thing to say that shop=firearms means "a shop that sells whatever the local law means by firearms". This is a general principle in OSM that we define

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Vào lúc 06:47 2023-06-23, Martin Koppenhoefer đã viết: I believe the US is an exception then, at least the current wiki confirms what I wrote (and in this case I didn't write it myself ;-) ) , from highway=motorway: Typically highway =motorway

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On Jun 23, 2023, at 2:31 PM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: > On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 at 03:37, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: > but I have never seen a convenience store selling auto supplies, > > Do you have stores attached to service stations, selling bread, milk, snacks, > drinks etc? > If so, they

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On Sat, 24 Jun 2023 at 03:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > but I have never seen a convenience store selling auto supplies, > Do you have stores attached to service stations, selling bread, milk, snacks, drinks etc? If so, they would probably also have a couple of shelves of auto stuff.

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On Jun 23, 2023, at 7:12 AM, Greg Troxel wrote: > English varies by country and sometimes we can't understand each other. > Changing semantics by regional English is no more reasonable than changing by > other language word collisions. My point is that a tag defines a semantic > concept and

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sent from a phone > On 23 Jun 2023, at 16:13, Greg Troxel wrote: > > My point is that a tag defines a semantic concept and that we should strive > to have it mean that concept everywhere. That is the point, so that data > consumers can use it. agreed. The problems for example arise

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On June 23, 2023 1:50:58 PM UTC, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >Am Do., 22. Juni 2023 um 14:41 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > >> >> Suppose in some other country, bakery is a term that means a shop that >> primarly sells sausages. We wouldn't say that this should be >> amenity=bakery. > > > >this is

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Am Do., 22. Juni 2023 um 14:41 Uhr schrieb Greg Troxel : > > Suppose in some other country, bakery is a term that means a shop that > primarly sells sausages. We wouldn't say that this should be > amenity=bakery. this is why we have agreed to use English words. A "bakery" in English is a

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Am Do., 22. Juni 2023 um 12:36 Uhr schrieb Brian M. Sperlongano < zelonew...@gmail.com>: > > yes, but motorway is an exception because it is usually defined by signs >> rather than characteristics (e.g. if the signs are missing but it looks and >> feels like, we use motorroad=yes in some

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Jun 21, 2023, 15:51 by g...@lexort.com: > It is absolutely the wrong thing to say that shop=firearms means "a shop > that sells whatever the local law means by firearms". This is a > general principle in OSM that we define something and then expect > mappers to use the OSM definition, not local

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Jun 22, 2023, 14:46 by g...@lexort.com: > Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > >> sent from a phone >> >>> On 21 Jun 2023, at 15:52, Greg Troxel wrote: >>> >>> It is absolutely the wrong thing to say that shop=firearms means "a shop >>> that sells whatever the local law means by firearms". This is

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Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> On 21 Jun 2023, at 15:52, Greg Troxel wrote: >> >> It is absolutely the wrong thing to say that shop=firearms means "a shop >> that sells whatever the local law means by firearms". This is a >> general principle in OSM that we define

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In fact, in my little corner of the country, the term we would use for this is "highway" and in other places "expressway" means the same thing, which is hopelessly confusing because these are also OSM keys with different meanings from the colloquial terminology. On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 8:28 AM

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"Brian M. Sperlongano" writes: > On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 8:08 AM Illia Marchenko > wrote: > >> But "freeway" is de facto equivalent of motorway, right? >> > > Freeway is a colloquial term that's only used in some parts of the country > and only signed as such in some states and often

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On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, 8:08 AM Illia Marchenko wrote: > But "freeway" is de facto equivalent of motorway, right? > Freeway is a colloquial term that's only used in some parts of the country and only signed as such in some states and often inconsistently. I assure you that the on the ground

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But "freeway" is de facto equivalent of motorway, right? Regards, Illia. Brian M. Sperlongano : > > yes, but motorway is an exception because it is usually defined by signs >> rather than characteristics (e.g. if the signs are missing but it looks and >> feels like, we use motorroad=yes in some

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> yes, but motorway is an exception because it is usually defined by signs > rather than characteristics (e.g. if the signs are missing but it looks and > feels like, we use motorroad=yes in some countries) Iknow you said 'usually' but this sounds like a very European perspective to me. We have

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sent from a phone > On 22 Jun 2023, at 00:43, Frederik Ramm wrote: > > Generally, yes, I'd however not invoke the law at this point - I'd say a > shop=firearms is whatever locals would call a firearms shop, if that term is > used locally. agreed > > Generally speaking I object to an

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Hi, On 6/21/23 16:16, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: There is a point where the differences are so big that we decide to introduce a new tag (or subtag), but in a case like the arms shop I believe the most likely answer for OpenStreetMap is actually "a shop that sells whatever the local law means

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sent from a phone > On 21 Jun 2023, at 15:52, Greg Troxel wrote: > > It is absolutely the wrong thing to say that shop=firearms means "a shop > that sells whatever the local law means by firearms". This is a > general principle in OSM that we define something and then expect > mappers to

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Graeme Fitzpatrick writes: > On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 22:11, Greg Troxel wrote: > >> >> an air rifle is not a firearm, in English, because there is no >> combustion > > Unfortunately, in Australia at least, air rifles are actually officially > classed as firearms! :-( Sure, that (and

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sent from a phone > On 21 Jun 2023, at 13:10, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > I note the absence of 'fire' in the above definitions. Explosions can be had > from compressed gas doesn’t seem to cover electromagnetic weapons, or does it? ___

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On 21/6/23 09:50, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote: On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 22:11, Greg Troxel wrote:   an air rifle is not a firearm, in English, because there is no   combustion Unfortunately, in Australia at least, air rifles are actually officially classed as firearms! :-( NSW

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 22:11, Greg Troxel wrote: > > an air rifle is not a firearm, in English, because there is no > combustion > Unfortunately, in Australia at least, air rifles are actually officially classed as firearms! :-( Thanks Graeme

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Marc_marc writes: > so now that we have a documented tag shop=knives, > how to tag a shop that sell knives and arcs ? shop=knives;arcs ? > of course not > when we have found the right term for this shop, the previous case > could have been handled in the same way with details in a secondary tag

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Le 19.06.23 à 23:52, Graeme Fitzpatrick a écrit : On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 02:57, Illia Marchenko mailto:illiamarchenk...@gmail.com>> wrote: As possible solution, *shop=weapon* Sorry, but speaking as a recreational shooter, & on behalf of all others, we find the use of the term

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 14:38, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > Jun 20, 2023, 01:36 by g...@lexort.com: > > In English, the adjective for the shop tends to be singular, when that > adjective is a noun. The plural just sounds funny. For example we have > "car

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 14:31, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging < tagging@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > > I have created https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dknives > Thanks > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:shop%3Dammunition has single use > Is there a different tagging for that

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 11:03, stevea wrote: > Postscript: I find Minh's examples (a drive-through liquor store with > live fishing bait, a supermarket with mattresses and tool sheds, a > laundromat with treadmills, a car wash and tanning beds...) to be each and > every one of true,

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On Jun 19, 2023, at 9:35 PM, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote: > Jun 20, 2023, 01:36 by g...@lexort.com: > In English, the adjective for the shop tends to be singular, when that > adjective is a noun. The plural just sounds funny. For example we have > "car dealer", "grocery store", "grocery

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Jun 20, 2023, 01:36 by g...@lexort.com: > In English, the adjective for the shop tends to be singular, when that > adjective is a noun. The plural just sounds funny. For example we have > "car dealer", "grocery store", "grocery store", "cell phone store", etc. > So I am fine with shop=guns

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Jun 19, 2023, 23:57 by graemefi...@gmail.com: > > On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 03:48, Marc_marc <> marc_m...@mailo.com> > wrote: > >> >> > Maybe also create shop=knives page >> >> Does it make sense to create a primary tag for each type of weapon? >> > > Yes it does, as you also have shops that are

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Postscript: I find Minh's examples (a drive-through liquor store with live fishing bait, a supermarket with mattresses and tool sheds, a laundromat with treadmills, a car wash and tanning beds...) to be each and every one of true, well-researched and delightfully mirthful.

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Minh and I are in the same jurisdiction (California) regarding guns, but I agree with Graeme that we want to be careful with our terminology here. Minh says "A gun store specializes in firearms and ammo..." whereas I'm pretty sure most people (who use guns) would say "A gun store specializes

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Vào lúc 10:44 2023-06-19, Marc_marc đã viết: Does it make sense to create a primary tag for each type of weapon? I find it very fragmenting, especially as there will inevitably be shops selling 2 items with different primary tags, which merits a secondary tag and not a shop=guns;knives I'm

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Vào lúc 16:26 2023-06-19, Greg Troxel đã viết: Graeme Fitzpatrick writes: As possible solution, *shop=weapon* Sorry, but speaking as a recreational shooter, & on behalf of all others, we find the use of the term "weapons" for our chosen sporting tools more than somewhat offensive -

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 09:26, Greg Troxel wrote: > > In the US, even in Massachusetts, usage is "gun store" (store US vs shop > UK, as usual) if being casual, and "firearms" if being formal. I have > never heard any (civilian) store be desribed as a "weapons store". > Yep, & they don't buy

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Marc_marc writes: > Does it make sense to create a primary tag for each type of weapon? > I find it very fragmenting, especially as there will inevitably be > shops selling 2 items with different primary tags, which merits a > secondary tag and not a shop=guns;knives We have grocery and bakery.

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Graeme Fitzpatrick writes: >> As possible solution, *shop=weapon* > > Sorry, but speaking as a recreational shooter, & on behalf of all others, > we find the use of the term "weapons" for our chosen sporting tools more > than somewhat offensive - recreational shooters don't use weapons, the >

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On Tue, 20 Jun 2023 at 02:57, Illia Marchenko wrote: > As possible solution, *shop=weapon* > Sorry, but speaking as a recreational shooter, & on behalf of all others, we find the use of the term "weapons" for our chosen sporting tools more than somewhat offensive - recreational shooters don't

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Le 19.06.23 à 18:25, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging a écrit : I propose (based on info I gathered to) - remove claim that shop=guns should be replaced by shop=weapons (due to information loss, there are also for example shops selling knives) or improve the advice to avoid the lost :

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As possible solution, *shop=weapon* with *sells=firearms;knives*. Regards, Illia. Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging : > OSM Wiki currently claims that > > shop=guns should be replaced by shop=weapons > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dweapons > > Tag:shop=firearms

[Tagging] shop=gun shop=guns shop=weapons shop=firearms

OSM Wiki currently claims that shop=guns should be replaced by shop=weapons https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dweapons Tag:shop=firearms redirects to shop=weapons https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Tag:shop%3Dfirearms=no Tag:shop=gun redirects to