Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-19 Thread Richard Z.
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 01:49:26PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 18/03/2015 11:58, Richard Z. wrote: so should for example the OpenSeaMap tagging for bridges become deprecated? Not deprecated, but considered on a case-by-case basis. It is a question of whether important navigation

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-19 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 19/03/2015 17:41, Richard Z. wrote: do you have any background info regarding the many obstacle nodes which are present in German waterways? I don't. I found a key:obstacle page in the Wiki that associates it OpenSeaMap - I don't know why the authors thought that. Those authors are

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-18 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 18/03/2015 11:58, Richard Z. wrote: so should for example the OpenSeaMap tagging for bridges become deprecated? Not deprecated, but considered on a case-by-case basis. It is a question of whether important navigation information would be deleted if the seamark tags were removed. In the

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-18 Thread Richard Z.
On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 04:31:12PM +, Malcolm Herring wrote: On 17/03/2015 16:06, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Is there something I'm missing? No, you have spotted the fact that (as always!) that the documentation is unfinished. I had done it on this page:

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-18 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Wed, Mar 18, 2015 at 6:49 AM, Malcolm Herring malcolm.herr...@btinternet.com wrote: Not deprecated, but considered on a case-by-case basis. It is a question of whether important navigation information would be deleted if the seamark tags were removed. In the case of bridges, the safe air

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 17/03/2015 13:19, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: their tagging scheme is somehow a parallel universe, Not parallel, but in some cases complimentary. For 95% of objects there are no overlaps with standard OSM objects. It is those 5% of cases that do overlap that people notice hence assume

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 08:50:48AM -0500, Brad Neuhauser wrote: For boat navigation purposes this should be crosslinked: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Gates Isn't it the other way around? That is, the people who tagged seagate:category:gate=lock (24 objects) should

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am 17.03.2015 um 13:28 schrieb Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com: Actually in some cases I am wondering if the OpenSeaMap tags are really usefull where other tags exist +1, this has been a problem since the beginning of OpenSeaMap, their tagging scheme is somehow a parallel universe,

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 17/03/2015 16:06, Brad Neuhauser wrote: Is there something I'm missing? No, you have spotted the fact that (as always!) that the documentation is unfinished. I had done it on this page: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/INT-1_Cross_Reference but I need to add notes/links on

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-17 Thread Brad Neuhauser
We always recommend that all natural and cultural features are tagged as per OSM Wiki only add Seamark tags where there is a non-coincident definition and the nautical definition is of special navigational importance. Locks their gates do not fall into that category so we do not

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Brad Neuhauser
For boat navigation purposes this should be crosslinked: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OpenSeaMap/Gates Isn't it the other way around? That is, the people who tagged seagate:category:gate=lock (24 objects) should be making sure to also tag waterway=lock_gate (15K objects), not vice

[Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
According to wiki[1] waterway=lock_gate should be used only on nodes. Some are tagged on ways[2]. Why wiki considers node as the only valid element where this tag may be used? Is it because page is older than mapping rivers also as areas? Routing for boats? Some other reason? Is it a good idea to

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-03-16 10:53 GMT+01:00 Mateusz Konieczny matkoni...@gmail.com: According to wiki[1] waterway=lock_gate should be used only on nodes. Some are tagged on ways[2]. Why wiki considers node as the only valid element where this tag may be used? Is it because page is older than mapping rivers

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 10:53:21AM +0100, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: According to wiki[1] waterway=lock_gate should be used only on nodes. Some are tagged on ways[2]. Why wiki considers node as the only valid element where this tag may be used? Is it because page is older than mapping rivers

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 16/03/2015 10:37, Richard Z. wrote: I think it makes sense to tag them as ways, analogous to weirs and dams. +1 ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Mon, Mar 16, 2015 at 3:14 AM, Dave Swarthout daveswarth...@gmail.com wrote: On the other hand, these features are actually a linear barrier with a finite length that extend across a channel or canal. It makes sense to allow tagging them as ways as well as nodes. If you're a router

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Malcolm Herring
On 16/03/2015 16:35, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: If you're a router following a way, having the node marked makes the job easier. Is that not tagging for an app? A similar case is bridges. Here the bridge tag could be on a segment of the way over the bridge, the way under the bridge, a node on

Re: [Tagging] waterway=lock_gate - is it only for nodes?

2015-03-16 Thread Dave Swarthout
I'm embarrassed to admit I have tagged 82 of those features as ways here in Thailand. I guess I simply never thought to look at the Wiki because it seemed so obvious to me that most lock_gates cross the waterway. These features are not rendered on any OSM map I've seen so my mistakes never came to