Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-23 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-22 10:13 GMT+01:00 Simone Saviolo : > (E.g. in Germany, you will generally have to use winter tyres (at the >> moment still also M+S, but AFAIK they are currently changing this) >> > > Would you care to expand on this? What we commonly call "winter tyres" are > actually M+S (mud and snow)

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-22 Thread Simone Saviolo
2017-11-16 13:55 GMT+01:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > > I believe the question remains whether "winter_equipment" is sufficient or > if we want to distinguish. e.g. between winter tyres and snow chains or > spikes. There might also be different regulations for different kind of > vehicle, e.g. hgv, mo

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-09 21:12 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík : > On 1.11.2017 11:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > Hi, sorry for the long pause. > Ok, following Warin's suggestion: > > > https://www.sicurauto.it/upload/news_/8684/img/2038-cartelli > sperimentali-pneumatici-invernali.png > motor_vehicle:conditional=wi

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-09 Thread Michal Fabík
On 1.11.2017 11:50, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: Hi, sorry for the long pause. Ok, following Warin's suggestion: > https://www.sicurauto.it/upload/news_/8684/img/2038-cartelli sperimentali-pneumatici-invernali.png motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment @ (Nov 15-Apr 15) > http://www.rmastr

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 4:11 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > In many European countries we have two types of restrictions: > (a) Certain roads or road networks require you to carry winter equipment > for specific periods (details vary widely) or under certain weather > conditions (more or less vaguely

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Volker Schmidt
In many European countries we have two types of restrictions: (a) Certain roads or road networks require you to carry winter equipment for specific periods (details vary widely) or under certain weather conditions (more or less vaguely defined) (b) Roads may be closed for predefined or variable tim

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 2:47 PM, Paul Johnson wrote: > Data consumers should at least prompt "do you really want to go with this > route?" during the winter on routes that are restricted in winter, and > reject on routes closed in winter (or at least throw an "are you sure?" on > winter road restri

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 3:03 AM, Michal Fabík wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > possibly something like 'motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment @ > > winter' > > Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify > that winter

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Mark Wagner
On Wed, 1 Nov 2017 09:03:16 +0100 Michal Fabík wrote: > On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > possibly something like 'motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment > > @ winter' > > Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify > that wi

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-01 10:54 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík : > I don't think I understand. A traffic sign such as this > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_tire#/media/File:CZ-C15a_ > Zimn%C3%AD_v%C3%BDbava.png > just says "winter equipment required". It's implied that the driver is > supposed to know (or look up) w

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Michal Fabík
On Wed, Nov 1, 2017 at 9:52 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > 2017-11-01 9:03 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík : >> >> >> Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify >> that winter equipment is required in winter? > > > > It really depends on the area. Clearly in Russia, you wouldn't

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-11-01 9:03 GMT+01:00 Michal Fabík : > > Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify > that winter equipment is required in winter? > It really depends on the area. Clearly in Russia, you wouldn't have to tell anyone that winter equipment is required in winter, in Ita

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread José G Moya Y .
El 1/11/2017 9:08, "Michal Fabík" escribió: On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > possibly something like 'motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment @ > winter' Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify that winter equipment is requir

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-11-01 Thread Michal Fabík
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:29 PM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > possibly something like 'motor_vehicle:conditional=winter_equipment @ > winter' Technically, this looks fine, but is it really necessary to specify that winter equipment is required in winter? Besides, I'm not sure about the

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
>>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_your_local_legislation.2C_if_not_bound_to_objects_in_reality >> if there’s a sign “winter equipment required” it is bound to an object in >> reality. > I'm not disputing that. I was commenting on Kevin Kenny's pointing out the > "don

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Warin
On 01-Nov-17 01:18 AM, Michal Fabík wrote: Hi, from tomorrow on (until spring) some roads in Czechia (and other countries, although the date may vary) will only be accessible to vehicles with "winter equipment", i.e. the vehicle must be fitted with snow or M+S tyres, plus it has to carry snow cha

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 1:19 PM, Michal Fabík wrote: > On 31.10.2017 18:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> >> >> sent from a phone >> >> On 31. Oct 2017, at 16:31, Michal Fabík wrote: >>> >>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map >>> _your_local_legislation.2C_if_not_boun

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Michal Fabík
On 31.10.2017 18:37, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 31. Oct 2017, at 16:31, Michal Fabík wrote: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_your_local_legislation.2C_if_not_bound_to_objects_in_reality if there’s a sign “winter equipment required” it is b

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 31. Oct 2017, at 16:31, Michal Fabík wrote: > > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_your_local_legislation.2C_if_not_bound_to_objects_in_reality if there’s a sign “winter equipment required” it is bound to an object in reality. cheers, Martin

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 11:33 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: > So basically the spelling in the UK was ‘tire’ for a couple hundred years > and they decided to change it in the case of rubber tires. If OpenStreetMap > had started in 1900, we would use ’tire’ rather than ’tyre’. :) I seem to recall that 'ty

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Tod Fitch
> On Oct 31, 2017, at 7:50 AM, Micah Cochran wrote: > > > Please check your spelling of tire. > > tyre is the correct British English spelling. > > A tire (American English) or tyre (British English[...]) is a ring-shaped > component that surrounds a wheel's rim to transfer a vehicle's load

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Michal Fabík
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 4:12 PM, Kevin Kenny wrote: > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Good_practice#Don.27t_map_your_local_legislation.2C_if_not_bound_to_objects_in_reality Thanks for pointing this out, I wasn't even quite aware of this. When I suggested winter_equipment=yes and winter_equipm

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Tue, Oct 31, 2017 at 10:54 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The question is if we want to tag "winter equipment required" and this means > different things in different jurisdictions, or if we set up a series of > more atomic tags that spell out the implications of "winter equipment". We want

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2017-10-31 15:39 GMT+01:00 Pander : > On 10/31/2017 03:18 PM, Michal Fabík wrote: > . Note that winter equipment might also cover snow chains > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snow_chains which is at some times > compulsory on certain roads in winter. So a more detailed classification > might be nee

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Micah Cochran
> > >> Please check your spelling of tire. tyre is the correct British English spelling. A tire (American English) or tyre (British English[...]) is a ring-shaped component that surrounds a wheel's rim to transfer a vehicle's load from the axle through the wheel to the ground and to provide trac

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Philip Barnes
The original spelling is correct, OSM uses British English. Tire is American spelling. Phil (trigpoint) On 31 October 2017 14:39:47 GMT+00:00, Pander wrote: >On 10/31/2017 03:18 PM, Michal Fabík wrote: >> Hi, >> from tomorrow on (until spring) some roads in Czechia (and other >> countries, a

Re: [Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Pander
On 10/31/2017 03:18 PM, Michal Fabík wrote: Hi, from tomorrow on (until spring) some roads in Czechia (and other countries, although the date may vary) will only be accessible to vehicles with "winter equipment", i.e. the vehicle must be fitted with snow or M+S tyres, plus it has to carry snow ch

[Tagging] winter tyres

2017-10-31 Thread Michal Fabík
Hi, from tomorrow on (until spring) some roads in Czechia (and other countries, although the date may vary) will only be accessible to vehicles with "winter equipment", i.e. the vehicle must be fitted with snow or M+S tyres, plus it has to carry snow chains, tow rope and possibly other related equi