Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
TL;DR - highway=wayside_station ? ~~~ > On Feb 19, 2018, at 12:40 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > At present the wiki says that highway=services is mainly for motorways and > similar roads, but we have many places now that look like highway=services, > but are on

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
The common use of "bicycle=designated" is the equivalent of ( "bicycle=yes" plus some kind of official vertical sign) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 18, 2018 at 12:53 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > Access tags are something different. You may well have a place were you > can drive to with your car, but the service is only for bicycles > motorcar=yes, bicycle=designated.

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
Access tags are something different. You may well have a place were you can drive to with your car, but the service is only for bicycles On 18 February 2018 at 19:49, Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > >> I

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 7:44 AM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > I would prefer a tag structure of the type > highway=service _area (or highway=services ?) > vehicle_type=bicycle; motorcycle; car; agricultural; hgv; motor_vehicle > (with default vehicle_type=motor_vehicle?) >

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 17, 2018 at 4:52 AM, nwastra wrote: > I also find the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and > specific enough to be a widely used tag if documented on the osm cycling > pages. > Indeed, it's something I would use if properly documented; we call them

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread marc marc
Hello, Le 18. 02. 18 à 16:16, John Willis a écrit : >> On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: >> what's the difference between a service area on a road that is tagged with >> highway=services and one that is tagged amenity=fuel > > highway=services (SA) is a

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
At present the wiki says that highway=services is mainly for motorways and similar roads, but we have many places now that look like highway=services, but are on single carriageway roads and offer similar services, but are tagged as amenity=fuel. I am only pointing out that the dividing line

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:44 PM, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > what's the difference between a service area on a road that is tagged with > highway=services and one that is tagged amenity=fuel I'll write a full response tomorrow, but highway=services (SA) is a singularly

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread Volker Schmidt
Taking a step back: what's the difference between a service area on a road that is tagged with highway=services and one that is tagged amenity=fuel (with the corresponding additional tagging for food, ATM, ... ? Is the difference only the number of carriageways? single carriageway > amenity=fuel;

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-18 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 10:11 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > service _area:hgv=yes Isn't a highway=services already for HGV ? The issue I ran into is highway=services that are not on a motorway (a Japanese road station) - but how does a facility "cater to" HGV and

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Thanks for all the comments everyone. Javbw > On Feb 18, 2018, at 5:43 AM, Warin <61sundow...@gmail.com> wrote: > > highway=service _area > service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse, etc Warin's suggestion is probably best, that way the wheel doesn't have to be reinvented for each type,

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
highway=service_area > service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse, > > As I said, I think we need multiple value possibility for this, hence semicolon separator ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread Warin
No 'type' ! 'Type' says nothing so why say it. Suggestion? highway=service _area service _area=bicycle, hgv, horse,  etc On 18-Feb-18 05:31 AM, Thilo Haug OSM wrote: Hi Volker, the way I understand the current syntax, underscore is more for spaces (in terms) and colon for namespaces

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
Hi Volker, the way I understand the current syntax, underscore is more for spaces (in terms) and colon for namespaces (to separate the "subcategory"). So I'd use vehicle:type=* rather than vehicle_type=* (leaves room for vehicle:anythingelse=*) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Namespace

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would prefer a tag structure of the type highway=service _area (or highway=services ?) vehicle_type=bicycle; motorcycle; car; agricultural; hgv; motor_vehicle (with default vehicle_type=motor_vehicle?) attendant=yes|no I have come across a number of (manned) service places where different

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-17 Thread John Willis
Javbw > On Feb 15, 2018, at 11:54 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > > think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough. I will make a draft page for it and start using it for the very rare places here. I assume the rest area in the OSM question

Re: [Tagging] Cycling "service area"

2018-02-14 Thread Dave Swarthout
I think the highway=cycle_service_area tag is both useful and specific enough. By the way, the highway=services tag is used to identify an area (we call them 'service areas" on the east coast) that has fuel, restrooms, water, food and parking for automobiles and trucks. I also use area=yes in