On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote:
The advantage of not having opposite as a value is not to need to verify the
country's driving_side to be able to tell which driving_side that way has.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:51 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com
On 31.03.2014 10:52, Pieren wrote:
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote:
The advantage of not having opposite as a value is not to need to verify
the
country's driving_side to be able to tell which driving_side that way has.
On Sat, Mar 29, 2014 at 7:51
I removed the value opposite from the page.
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/w/index.php?title=Key:driving_sideoldid=1008962
2014-03-28 19:27 GMT-03:00 Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de:
On 27.03.2014 16:11, Pieren wrote:
But you force the QA tools to search and load country relations even
if
While I suggested the value opposite with the same reasoning as Pieren
i.e. to guarantee this tag is used on ways only when necessary; the truth
is there wouldn't be any guarantee because the values left and right
still exist (though theorically only for countries).
The advantage of *not* having
On Thu, Mar 27, 2014 at 3:35 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote:
Since we need to use validator rules anyway, we could use:
1. driving_side is only allowed ways that belong to countries that have
driving_side specified;
2. driving_side (on ways) must have the opposite value of the
On Mon, Mar 24, 2014 at 4:37 PM, Tobias Knerr o...@tobias-knerr.de wrote:
Could you elaborate?
The left/right is only on boundary relations.
The opposite is only on ways.
This will also avoid a proliferation of unnecessary
driving_side=left/right on ways where it's only required for the
Note that the article states that many countries allow use of both
left-hand-drive and right-hand-drive vehicles on their roadways, which
contradicts your earlier blanket statement that you have to change vehicles
when at a border between a left-hand-traffic country and a right-hand-traffic
On 23.03.2014 19:23, Pieren wrote:
I like the idea to use left/right on the global definition (on
relation) and opposite on exceptions (on ways). It's also easier for
QA tools I guess. I modified the wiki accordingly. Revert if you don't
like it.
I don't like it, but before I consider
2014-03-23 2:37 GMT+01:00 John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com:
Left-hand-driver cars are sometimes used in right-hand-drive countries,
and vice versa. So, changing cars at a national border where the driving
conventions differ is not mandatory in all cases. In fact, I have not
heard of any
I think having only one value (driving_side=opposite (or inverted)) would be
better to tag highways.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 5:37 PM, Steve Doerr doerr.step...@gmail.com wrote:
On 22/03/2014 14:24, Tobias Knerr wrote:
I agree: let's leave it as-is but add the possibility of using it on ways
On 21/03/2014 20:42, Paul Johnson wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:07 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com
mailto:john.pack...@gmail.com wrote:
There are, in my city, a couple of streets that have an /inverted/
driving side.
So I am going to extend this tag's documentation to
Here in Japan, because of the imports - mostly German or vintage - most toll
plazas have a left hand drive spot ticket taking and toll collection.
I was so surprised to see pics of kei cars in the US. This explains it. As a
driver of a kei in Japan, I certainly wouldn't drive it in California,
On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 18:31 +0900, John Willis wrote:
Here in Japan, because of the imports - mostly German or vintage -
most toll plazas have a left hand drive spot ticket taking and toll
collection.
In France, at the start of Péages near the channel ports where there are
a high number of UK
On 21.03.2014 21:07, John Packer wrote:
There are, in my city, a couple of streets that have an /inverted/
driving side.
So I am going to extend this tag's documentation to include ways that
have it's driving side opposite to it's country's normal driving side.
That's a good and useful
The current values would work well for both streets and countries, so keep
them.
Actually, that's why I want to change it.
I think having only one value (driving_side=opposite (or inverted)) would
be better to tag highways.
It is a little shameful to admit it, but sometimes I confuse left and
On 22.03.2014 14:30, John Packer:
I think having only one value (driving_side=opposite (or inverted))
would be better to tag highways.
It is a little shameful to admit it, but sometimes I confuse left and
right; so by restricting this tag's values there wouldn't be any
confusion, and restrict
You are right, since these streets are rare, there is no need to add the
value inverted.
With a tag that has been used on 4 countries and 14 highways, it's a bit
too early to analyse mappers' interest imo.
Actually, it's not early, this tag was documented since early 2012.
But let's hope this
On 22/03/2014 14:24, Tobias Knerr wrote:
Changing it wouldn't be a problem, which is why I support adding
highways as a use case. I just don't think changing the values would
be an improvement.
I agree: let's leave it as-is but add the possibility of using it on
ways to mark exceptions.
On Sat, Mar 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On Sat, 2014-03-22 at 18:31 +0900, John Willis wrote:
Here in Japan, because of the imports - mostly German or vintage -
most toll plazas have a left hand drive spot ticket taking and toll
collection.
In France,
Left-hand-driver cars are sometimes used in right-hand-drive countries, and
vice versa. So, changing cars at a national border where the driving
conventions differ is not mandatory in all cases. In fact, I have not heard of
any cases where it is mandatory.
On March 21, 2014 3:24:21 PM CDT,
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:07 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote:
There is a tag documented on the wiki called driving_side=right/left.
According to it's description, this tag should only be used on countries,
and it describes the side of the traffic in the whole country.
So far so
I wonder what you mean by Is there any interest of using it on
countries?. It's been defined for countries, and is used on it, as
you said.
You could simply tag the country with driving_side=right/left and
use the same (but with the opposite value) on those streets.
That said, I think driving
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:07 PM, John Packer john.pack...@gmail.com wrote:
There are, in my city, a couple of streets that have an *inverted*driving
side.
So I am going to extend this tag's documentation to include ways that have
it's driving side opposite to it's country's normal driving
It's been defined for countries, and is used on it, as you said.
I don't think I said that, all I said was according to taginfo it is used
only *once* on a relation.
If people aren't going to use it, I intend to restrict it's use to streets.
It seems it wasn't formally proposed anyway.
I don't
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Fernando Trebien
fernando.treb...@gmail.com wrote:
A change of driver
side requires either a change of vehicle or some special vehicle that
can drive on both sides. In the case of your city, driving side
changes, but driver side doesn't. You could include
We only map the roads because we have an interest in using them,
right? Therefore, we also often map how vehicles are supposed to use
these roads. See: access, oneway, maxspeed, surface, tracktype,
smoothness, height, restriction, etc.
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 5:54 PM, Colin Smale
Read this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic#Driver_seating_position
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-_and_left-hand_traffic#Restrictions_on_wrong-hand_drive_vehicles
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 6:04 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 3:24
Agreed, we map roads and attributes of those roads. Sorry, I thought you
were suggesting a tag with the meaning cars have their steering wheels
on the left|right.
Colin
On 2014-03-21 22:06, Fernando Trebien wrote:
We only map the roads because we have an interest in using them,
right?
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 16:04 -0500, Paul Johnson wrote:
Most drivers prefer left hand drive in keep-right countries, and right
hand drive in keep-left countries because it greatly increases
visibility when overtaking. Having driven RHS vehicles in North
America, I can safely say it's not
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:15 PM, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
You get other problems too, such as paying tolls. I was shouted at for
getting out of the car to pay put my card in the toll machine on The
Øresundsbron. French Peage staff have never had a problem with that.
This
I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street her
in Padova, Italy, where this tag could be used instead of the two separate
roads used at the moment:
http://goo.gl/maps/EZJVI
On 21 March 2014 22:29, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote:
On Fri, Mar 21, 2014 at 4:15
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 23:13 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street
her in Padova, Italy, where this tag could be used instead of the two
separate roads used at the moment:
http://goo.gl/maps/EZJVI
That looks scarey, minimal signage
It's in town, it's not a real problem. Italians are flexible :-)
On 21 March 2014 23:22, Philip Barnes p...@trigpoint.me.uk wrote:
On Fri, 2014-03-21 at 23:13 +0100, Volker Schmidt wrote:
I did not know that this tag exists. Funny, but but there is a street
her in Padova, Italy, where
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