On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there -
that's the *usage* of the gate, not the *type* of gate.
From a technical perspective you may be right, but practically
speaking, we should design
On Mon, Jan 17, 2011 at 6:18 PM, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there -
that's the *usage* of the gate, not the *type* of gate.
From a technical
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 2:36 PM, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong
there - that's the *usage* of the gate, not the *type* of gate.
From a technical perspective you may be right, but practically speaking,
we should design
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 10:41 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote:
On the other hand, what if one knows that there's a gate but not its
purpose (for instance, when mapping drainage canals through swampy
areas)?
Indeed. How to cater for both situations?
Steve
On 18 January 2011 09:18, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
waterway=flood_gate
flood_gate=sluice_gate
...is more usable for non-techie nerds than something like:
waterway=flow_control
flow_control=sluice_gate
usage=flood_gate
So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks?
-1
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks?
The tagging system as a whole will never be entirely consistent, or
even operate on consistent principles. The best we can do is fix small
chunks at a time, and make
On 18 January 2011 16:13, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
On Tue, Jan 18, 2011 at 2:19 PM, John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
So why do we use highway=* for even small tracks?
The tagging system as a whole will never be entirely consistent, or
even operate on consistent
discussion, strategy and related tools'
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
From: Steve Bennett
On 5/01/2011 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote:
Perhaps a more generic approach would work, eg waterway=flow_control
flow_control=weir|sluice_gate|flood_gate|spillway_gate
From: Steve Bennett
On 5/01/2011 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote:
Perhaps a more generic approach would work, eg waterway=flow_control
flow_control=weir|sluice_gate|flood_gate|spillway_gate|
Yeah something like that would be reasonable. What I'd like to see a lot
more of is planning
On 9 January 2011 13:36, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
I've been looking into this. How does this sound?
waterway=dam and waterway=weir remain unchanged.
I'm still in favour of shifting these into flow control...
The question is, what else would go there? Flood gates don't belong there
2011/1/5 Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com:
On 4/01/2011 7:20 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different
ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or
control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate
2011/1/5 John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com:
On 5 January 2011 15:16, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
waterway=dam (a wall with water on one side)
waterway=weir (a wall with water flowing over the top)
waterway=flow_control (an opening through which water sometimes flows).
On 5/01/2011 7:27 PM, John Smith wrote:
On 5 January 2011 15:16, Steve Bennettstevag...@gmail.com wrote:
waterway=dam (a wall with water on one side)
waterway=weir (a wall with water flowing over the top)
waterway=flow_control (an opening through which water sometimes flows).
On 4 January 2011 07:19, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote:
BTW: My feeling is, that sluice gates formerly were tagged with
waterway=weir most of the time anyway.
Doesn't mean they shouldn't be updated/added if there is a better tag...
The suggested term floodgate would be more
On 4/01/2011 7:20 AM, Paul Norman wrote:
They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different
ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or
control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially
a valve for small waterways.
On 5 January 2011 11:38, Steve Bennett stevag...@gmail.com wrote:
I'm wary of the endless drive to create more high-level tags. It increases
the burden on reusers of the data.
Normally I'd agree with you 100%, but in this case it's a bit
different because as pointed out earlier weirs tend to be
On 5/01/2011 3:18 PM, John Smith wrote:
Perhaps a more generic approach would work, eg
waterway=flow_control
flow_control=weir|sluice_gate|flood_gate|spillway_gate|
Yeah something like that would be reasonable. What I'd like to see a lot
more of is planning ahead: coming up with a scheme
Hi.
I'm not very familiar with waterway tagging, but AFAIK these are tagged
as riverbanks, too.
Your proposal doesn't say anything about how to map sluice gates at
these bigger rivers as it proposes the usage on nodes only.
As sluice gates assumably will be more on bigger waterways, that
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 11:04:27 +0100
Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote:
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman:
I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found
on small waterways in agricultural areas at
On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com wrote:
What's the difference to waterway=weir?
A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just
semi-dam a river to provide a water supply for nearby towns, the water
freely flows over the top of the weir.
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 20:37:10 +1000
John Smith deltafoxtrot...@gmail.com wrote:
On 3 January 2011 20:04, Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com
wrote:
What's the difference to waterway=weir?
A lot of weirs I've seen don't have any kind of gates, they just
semi-dam a river to provide a water
On 3 January 2011 21:06, Elizabeth Dodd ed...@billiau.net wrote:
like this
http://museumvictoria.museum/collections/items/766657/negative-weir-bridge-across-the-murray-river-mildura-victoria-circa-1925
I doubt I've seen such a large weir in person, I was thinking more
along the lines of this:
2011/1/3 Ulf Lamping ulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman:
I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on
small
waterways in agricultural areas at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate
What's the difference
On 3 January 2011 21:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:
IMHO the difference is that a weir is used to control the water level
(and sometimes used to produce energy) while a sluice gate is used for
ships to navigate in rivers/canals with different levels (it is part
of steps
On 03/01/2011 10:04, Ulf Lamping wrote:
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman:
I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on
small
waterways in agricultural areas at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate
What's the difference to
On 03/01/2011 11:55, M∡rtin Koppenhoefer wrote:
2011/1/3 Ulf Lampingulf.lamp...@googlemail.com:
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman:
I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on
small
waterways in agricultural areas at
On 03/01/2011 15:10, Elizabeth Dodd wrote:
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:00:08 +
Dave F.dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
A weir is an immovable barrier to retain water level:
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01789/Andy-Brown-bath_1789275i.jpg
Even that isn't completely correct
Let's take it on the opposite, we have devices to control water, sort of
'dams'.
* Water can go above, under, trough, or between gates
* Can be fixed, moving, removable
* Can be nodes, ways, or polygons
I'm no expert in english, but somebody here could end up with a set of
english word that
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To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
Am 03.01.2011 02:59, schrieb Paul Norman:
I've set up a proposal
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Sent: Monday, January 03, 2011 1:52 AM
To: tagging@openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - sluice_gate
Hi.
I'm not very familiar with waterway tagging, but AFAIK
On 03/01/2011 21:01, Richard Welty wrote:
floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts
of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype:
I would say it's the other way around - flood prevention is one use of a
sluice gate.
As I pointed out, a sluice gate an be used for irrigation
Am 03.01.2011 21:20, schrieb Paul Norman:
They both have elements of flow control, but function in quite different
ways and look very different. A weir is used to raise the water level or
control flow, with water flowing over the top. A sluice gate is essentially
a valve for small waterways.
On 1/3/11 4:16 PM, Dave F. wrote:
On 03/01/2011 21:01, Richard Welty wrote:
floodgate would seem to be the general term for these sorts
of things; sluice_gate would be a subtype:
I would say it's the other way around - flood prevention is one use of
a sluice gate.
As I pointed out, a
On Mon, 3 Jan 2011 12:33:18 -0800
Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
All the sluice gates I've seen are on the scale of 1m in opening
size. A quick google image search also seems to only turn up small
gates. I suppose there could be some large gates out there, so the
proposal might need to
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 15:23:34 +
Dave F. dave...@madasafish.com wrote:
Balranald Weir out of the water
http://billiau.net/zoph/photo.php?photo_id=17253
Although it's hard to decipher what's happening in the second
photo' , I would describe the movable parts as sluice gates not weirs.
On Mon, 03 Jan 2011 18:28:06 +0100
yvecai yve...@gmail.com wrote:
Let's take it on the opposite, we have devices to control water, sort
of 'dams'.
* Water can go above, under, through, or between gates
* Can be fixed, moving, removable
* Can be nodes, ways, or polygons
I'm no expert in
On 3 January 2011 11:59, Paul Norman penor...@mac.com wrote:
I've set up a proposal for sluice_gates, which are typically found on small
waterways in agricultural areas at
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/sluice_gate
You might want to add an example photo for those not
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