Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-29 13:43 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny : > I'm inclined to let the person who actually encounters such a beast > propose the tagging for it. Your idea seems as good as any, but I've not > yet seen an actual example. The most I've seen is different hours, fees, >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On Jul 29, 2016 3:50 AM, "Martin Koppenhoefer" wrote: > this tagging only works with one type of permit at a time, if motor_vehicle=permit was also set (with different rules and phone numbers etc.), you would need something like > foot=permit > motor_vehicle=permit > foot:permit:website=* >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On 7/29/2016 6:12 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: IMHO OSM is a geographical database, and there are some things that are too detailed. There are things in the OSM database that go well beyond geography ... opening hours, contact phone numbers for example. I would not place limits on, nor

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

> > > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 27 lug 2016, alle ore 21:01, Kevin Kenny >> ha scritto: >> >> foot=permit >> permit:website=https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wpres.htm >> permit:phone=+1(209)372-0200 > > > this tagging only works with one type of permit at

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

sent from a phone > Il giorno 27 lug 2016, alle ore 21:01, Kevin Kenny > ha scritto: > > foot=permit > permit:website=https://www.nps.gov/yose/planyourvisit/wpres.htm > permit:phone=+1(209)372-0200 this tagging only works with one type of permit at a time, if

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On Wed, Jul 27, 2016 at 5:15 AM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > yes, it fits well if you know what the situation is, but without > documentation you don't know whether this is only supposed to be used for > places where permits are generally granted, or if it is also used

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-27 10:54 GMT+02:00 moltonel : > I went with access=permit at the time: it seemed to fit very well, > without needing a big discussion thread :p > yes, it fits well if you know what the situation is, but without documentation you don't know whether this is only

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On 21 July 2016 12:31:42 GMT+01:00, m...@chrisfleming.org wrote: > >In my view access=permit seems like they way to go. Having >access=private with permit=something adds to the complexity without >adding value. Keep it simple. Joining this discussion late, but just as another datapoint, this

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

In my view access=permit seems like they way to go. Having access=private with permit=something adds to the complexity without adding value. Keep it simple. On 19/07/16 at 09:54pm, Colin Smale wrote: > The situation in the UK is that you basically have an inalienable legal > right to pass over

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

Martin Koppenhoefer writes: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 20 lug 2016, alle ore 15:06, Greg Troxel ha >> scritto: >> >> There >> are many shopping malls near me, and the ways have no access tags. >> That's wrong, as they aren't public rights of

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

sent from a phone > Il giorno 20 lug 2016, alle ore 15:06, Greg Troxel ha > scritto: > > There > are many shopping malls near me, and the ways have no access tags. > That's wrong, as they aren't public rights of way. But it is amazingly > rare, almost unheard of, to be told

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

sent from a phone Il giorno 20 lug 2016, alle ore 15:06, Greg Troxel ha scritto: >> To gain access to private property, you have to ask the landowner (or >> their agent). If you want to cross my back yard, you can't - it's >> private. But I can give you explicit permission. >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

Colin Smale writes: > If you need explicit permission, it's access=private, even if there are > loads of people with that explicit permission. The notion that all places that need permission are equivalent is technically true in a non-useful way. > To gain access to

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 7:24 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > 2016-07-19 22:01 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny : > >> The High Peaks Wilderness is a lot more like a public park than it is >> like your driveway. Should it be access=private because on

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:55 PM, Mikael Nordfeldth wrote: > > On 2016-07-19 22:38, Tod Fitch wrote: >> A map for hiking is greatly enhanced by letting its users know, in advance >> of arriving at the trail head, that there are permits required. Even better >> if those permits

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-20 1:08 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer : > in Italy, things are often not "clearly signposted", in the case I had in > mind, the situation is this I've looked this up to see what the actual situation is, and it's almost funny how complicated it is, at least

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-19 22:01 GMT+02:00 Kevin Kenny : > The High Peaks Wilderness is a lot more like a public park than it is like > your driveway. Should it be access=private because on the way in, you have > to fill out a form and leave it in the letterbox at a place like this >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

2016-07-19 21:54 GMT+02:00 Colin Smale : > Your Italian streets are not IMHO "public" in the sense of access (maybe > they are in the sense of ownership). > You are not allowed in (with a motor vehicle), unless you have explicit > permission, which may be granted to a

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On 2016-07-19 22:38, Tod Fitch wrote: > A map for hiking is greatly enhanced by letting its users know, in advance of > arriving at the trail head, that there are permits required. Even better if > those permits can’t be self-issued at the trail head. The only way to let the > end user know

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

> On Jul 19, 2016, at 1:17 PM, Colin Smale wrote: > > Your examples feel like private land to me. Except for the one with the > bull... > > > Maybe this would help me see the distinction: > > How much trouble are you in, if you enter without explicit permission? Are

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On 2016-07-19 22:01, Kevin Kenny wrote: > On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer > wrote: >>> Il giorno 19 lug 2016, alle ore 20:41, Colin Smale >>> ha scritto: >>> >>> If you need explicit permission, it's access=private, even if

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On Tue, Jul 19, 2016 at 3:10 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: >> Il giorno 19 lug 2016, alle ore 20:41, Colin Smale ha scritto: >> >> If you need explicit permission, it's access=private, even if there are loads of people with that explicit

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On 2016-07-19 21:10, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> Il giorno 19 lug 2016, alle ore 20:41, Colin Smale >> ha scritto: >> >> If you need explicit permission, it's access=private, even if there are >> loads of people with that explicit permission. >

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

sent from a phone > Il giorno 19 lug 2016, alle ore 20:41, Colin Smale ha > scritto: > > If you need explicit permission, it's access=private, even if there are loads > of people with that explicit permission. that's also what I had written on the imports list, but

Re: [Tagging] How to tag: public lands that are accessed by permit?

On 2016-07-19 20:21, Kevin Kenny wrote: > Gentlebeings, > > In a discussion today on 'imports,' Martin Koppenhoefer raised a > concern that appears to have no answer in current tagging practice. I > suspect that it's yet another case where a fairly common case in the > US violates a hidden