Re: [Tagging] Tag destination vs. relation destination_sign

2015-01-16 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-15 22:12 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Please, do not forget to mention direction:lanes*. destination:lanes ;-) ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

Re: [Tagging] Tag destination vs. relation destination_sign

2015-01-16 Thread Martin Vonwald
2015-01-15 19:48 GMT+01:00 Lukas Sommer sommer...@gmail.com: To clarify the wiki a little bit more, I would also add to the key:destination page a sentence like “Where to use? Use destination=* on the highway (OSM way) after the position of the signpost/groundwriting.” And I would remove (as

Re: [Tagging] Power networks European codification scheme

2015-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
2015-01-15 21:27 GMT+01:00 Ole Nielsen on-...@xs4all.nl: I'm not sure how these codes could benefit OSM. It's been a long time we need unique codes to identify infrastructure features (or group of features) instead of their own OSM ID (when you delete something and redraw it, the ID has

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Cluster

2015-01-16 Thread Lukas Sommer
What you propose is an algorithm that does a sort of “guess”. For doing some sort of guess, we don’t need to introduce a new relation. That could be done also without a relation. Introducing a new relation should lead to better data and more well-structured information. There should be a certain

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
Looking around in Wikipedia: Wash = Arroyo = Barranca = Wadi = Rambla = normally dry river bed, often subject to flash floods in case of upstream rain. If we have the the established term wadi for this, why create additional nearly synonymous tags?

[Tagging] Overhead signs (Überkopfwegweiser)

2015-01-16 Thread Andreas Labres
Hello, I'd like to suggest an idea to map overhead signposts (Überkopfwegweiser in German): Here is a photo of the sign to be mapped: http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:A23_Knoten_Kaiserm%C3%BChlen_1.JPG To map: Put a node on the way of the street exactly where the sign is located and

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 9:13 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: There will be a tagging committee: It will maintain the official OSM tagging scheme. Historical contributors and leaders will tell you that there is no official committee in OSM. But, to be a litle provocative, I

Re: [Tagging] Tagging a corner address with addr:street:corner=*

2015-01-16 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 16.01.2015 05:28, Eugene Alvin Villar wrote: In my country (Philippines), many corner addresses are specified with the intersecting street instead of (or in addition to) the house or building number. This actually makes sense because the house numbers are not immediately obvious when

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 4:13 PM, Kotya Karapetyan kotya.li...@gmail.com wrote: As of today, a total of 16 votes have been submitted, 11 of them are approvals. Since 2 weeks have passed and the required number of votes (15) has been reached, I have closed the voting and will proceed with clean

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-16 Thread Markus Lindholm
On 16 January 2015 at 01:04, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: We can discuss its pros and cons, but I think the main message is that multiple addresses are mapped differently all over the world. Every country has its local OSM community which concoct their own tagging rules. The result

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 14/01/2015, Warin 61sundow...@gmail.com wrote: Are 'we' tagging for What things are? eg highways OR What things are used for? eg amenity Why does it have to be one exclusive_or the other ? Both what things are and what they are used for is important. There's normally always a way to tag

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 11:41:26AM +0900, johnw wrote: I strongly disagree. A wadi is usually only an active river through very rare flash flood events, and almost never any other time. Entire biomes are defined by the presence of (and situated in) a wadi. how about reading wikipedia?

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Marc Gemis
So what is the solution ? amenity=non_drinking_water ? It seems that amenity=drinking_water is cut into stone and we will never be able to change this tag, although it obviously blocks more general tagging scheme for water sources. regards m. On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 11:16 AM, Pieren

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 16/01/2015, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Historical contributors and leaders will tell you that there is no official committee in OSM. But, to be a litle provocative, I would say we already have two committees for tagging scheme: - the JOSM presets maintainers - the DWG AFAIK the DWG's

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread moltonel 3x Combo
On 15/01/2015, Eric Sibert courr...@eric.sibert.fr wrote: Hi all, I'm wandering on how to tag shops that are offering services with specific ethnic orientation. For instance: - convenience specialized for Italian, Portuguese, Chinese products... - clothes typical from one country/area -

Re: [Tagging] Tag destination vs. relation destination_sign

2015-01-16 Thread fly
Am 16.01.2015 um 09:31 schrieb Martin Vonwald: 2015-01-15 22:12 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Please, do not forget to mention direction:lanes*. destination:lanes ;-) Thanks, yes. Was tagging directions and writing about

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Cluster

2015-01-16 Thread Friedrich Volkmann
On 16.01.2015 10:10, Lukas Sommer wrote: What you propose is an algorithm that does a sort of “guess”. For doing some sort of guess, we don’t need to introduce a new relation. That could be done also without a relation. Look at the examples. You cannot represent the data without a relation.

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2015-01-16 13:29 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: I've recently tagged a shop=convenience, convenience=polish. You'll find a handfull of other examples of convenience=* clothes=* hairdresser=* on taginfo. I suggest to use a more specific key that already tells in its name

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
Note also massive influence of JOSM validator and other rule-checker tools. 2015-01-16 13:14 GMT+01:00 moltonel 3x Combo molto...@gmail.com: On 16/01/2015, Pieren pier...@gmail.com wrote: Historical contributors and leaders will tell you that there is no official committee in OSM. But, to

Re: [Tagging] Power networks European codification scheme

2015-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
I've already introduced the ref:ERDF:gdo key for French power codification scheme. As suggested, ref:entsoe:eic would stand for European power codification scheme. The power transmission proposal had been updated

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
This, and already the existing tagging for restaurant cuisine have a basic flaw. They only work in a few countries of the West. If you think about it, most likely al restaurants in China would have to have cuisine=chinese, or all grocery stores in Marocco would have to be labelled

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
I now notice that I read the German Wikipedia entry for Wadi, which is plainly different form the English one. My fault. The English Wikipedia defines Wadi mainly as a valley, wheras the German on as a normally dry water course. On 16 January 2015 at 13:02, Richard Z. ricoz@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread Dan S
That's not a flaw - you've already given the solution in your own email: Basically you want to label restaurants/shops only if they offer something different from what's the typical local fare. 2015-01-16 13:23 GMT+00:00 Volker Schmidt vosc...@gmail.com: This, and already the existing

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
I don't get how amenity=drinking_water is a problem. It is just a tag with a wider meaning. man_made=water_tap+drinking_water=yes is a special type of amenity=drinking_water, as is natural=spring+drinking_water=yes or some other combination. ___ Tagging

Re: [Tagging] Overhead signs (Überkopfwegweiser)

2015-01-16 Thread Marc Gemis
do you know the :lanes suffix ? See e.g. the last example on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:destination and combine this with turn:lanes for the arrows regards m On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 10:19 AM, Andreas Labres l...@lab.at wrote: Hello, I'd like to suggest an idea to map overhead

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Janko Mihelić
As for newcomers, I think editors like iD should hide the intricacies of the tagging system anyway. If you click drinking water it puts amenity=drinking_water. But then it offers you all types of drinking water, like a tap, a spring, bottled water in a vending machine, a hose, a well and if you

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 1:06 PM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: amenity=non_drinking_water ? Or amenity=non_drinkable_water + a subtag describing the object It seems that amenity=drinking_water is cut into stone and we will never be able to change this tag, although it obviously

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
I didn't follow every bits of the discussion, so sorry for interrupting. Sorry also if my proposals are out of scope or already reviewed. Maybe a fresh view can help. @Marc amenity=drinking_water // amenity=non_drinking_water It feels like a good start and compromise. Either can be associated

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread François Lacombe
I don't think the drinkable quality of water should be the prime criteria to tag water sources (or a reason to use amenity=*) A fountain will striclty have the same external and internal design either the water is drinkable or not. This data should be introduced with a tag drinkable=yes/no or any

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Pieren
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 4:03 PM, François Lacombe fl.infosrese...@gmail.com wrote: A fountain will striclty have the same external and internal design either the water is drinkable or not. Here you join the other thread about philosophy of tagging. Some people describe an object, others

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-16 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jan 15, 2015 at 8:29 PM, Friedrich Volkmann b...@volki.at wrote: In that scenario, I'd much prefer to see two nodes, each with their address, and each tagged as an entrance. What you prefer certainly depends on your needs. Adresses on entrances are fine for routing, maybe for visual

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Tod Fitch
Since we are supposed to use British English, I decided to look up wadi in my old paper edition of the Oxford English Dictionary (can we trust that more than Wikipedia?): Wadi or Wady [Arabic: وادي‎ wādī] In certain Arabic speaking countries, a ravine or valley which in the rainy season

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
It seems that Pieren and I agree on most points. @François Maybe drinkable water is a very special case... but here service/use is much more important than object/feature. The ability to find this water on a map or from any data consumer is useful. It can even be essential to many people from

Re: [Tagging] Basic philosophy of OSM tagging

2015-01-16 Thread althio althio
Kotya Karapetyan 2) Suggested tags functionality should be implemented. I have seen that in the Android editor Vespucci. ___ Tagging mailing list Tagging@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/tagging

[Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
I would like to enter illumination quality for bicycle infrastructure (cycleways) in OSM. This is unfortunately a thorny issue, as there is no easy way to measure in an objective way the quality of the illumination. Has anyone already looked into this? I could invent something along the lines of

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Richard Z.
On Fri, Jan 16, 2015 at 08:23:33AM -0800, Tod Fitch wrote: Since we are supposed to use British English, I decided to look up wadi in my old paper edition of the Oxford English Dictionary (can we trust that more than Wikipedia?): Wadi or Wady [Arabic: وادي‎ wādī] In certain Arabic speaking

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - addrN:*

2015-01-16 Thread Will Phillips
I support using the addrN:* tagging proposed here in the specific situation where a single residence or business has multiple addresses. Note I am not referring to a building with multiple occupiers, but a single addressee with more than one address. In England I have never encountered this

Re: [Tagging] Tagging road illumination quality

2015-01-16 Thread Volker Schmidt
The light sources' positions often have little to do with the real illumination effect. In many cases, in my city, cycle paths (in reality they all are mixed-use pedestrian and bicycle with priority by law to pedestrians) have been produced by converting former sidewalks. The lamp posts are those

[Tagging] POIs with mixed assortment/services

2015-01-16 Thread Daniel Koć
W dniu 16.01.2015 14:23, Volker Schmidt napisał(a): Basically you want to label restaurants/shops only if they offer something different from what's the typical local fare. I have no proposal, I am just observing. Of course we don't want to tag every feature if it's obvious, but as the

Re: [Tagging] Tag destination vs. relation destination_sign

2015-01-16 Thread Lukas Sommer
I’ll wait until monday with the change … Lukas Sommer 2015-01-16 12:35 GMT+00:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Am 16.01.2015 um 09:31 schrieb Martin Vonwald: 2015-01-15 22:12 GMT+01:00 fly lowfligh...@googlemail.com mailto:lowfligh...@googlemail.com: Please, do not forget to mention

Re: [Tagging] Ethnic shops

2015-01-16 Thread John Willis
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 16, 2015, at 10:54 PM, Dan S danstowell+...@gmail.com wrote: That's not a flaw - you've already given the solution in your own email: Basically you want to label restaurants/shops only if they offer something different from what's the typical local fare.

Re: [Tagging] waterway=wadi problem

2015-01-16 Thread Tod Fitch
Since the current term wadi can mean something more than the actual watercourse, why not drop it and use ephemeral=yes or intermittent=ephemeral on waterway=* to indicate that it carries water much less often than a waterway tagged with intermittent=yes?

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - Voting - Water tap

2015-01-16 Thread Kotya Karapetyan
Hi all, 1. I apologize for closing the proposal during this discussion. It was not due to ignorance. For some reason, Gmail doesn't show all emails from this mailing list. (I Googled for it a couple of times, but couldn't find anything. Does anyone have a clue?) The last email I saw was Warin's