Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Yves
Could be other relations named "Partridge Track Loop 1" etc. If a user search for Partridge Track, they'll be able to find them. What do they share with the main route? The name, the operator? The signs? There's maybe no need to group them in another relation. Yves Le 8 mai 2018 02:53:43

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Tod Fitch
Reminds me of an earlier career where I sometime had to deal with sensitive documents. All documents had to classified: “Top Secret”, “Secret”, “Confidential”, etc. But if a document did not require clearance to access it was classified as “unclassified”. Basically anything that was not

Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:22 PM, Peter Elderson wrote: > I map everything as long as it’s waymarked. If a variant is waymarked and > named, it belongs to the route. It is the hierarchy I am not sure how to > tag exactly. I see type=route in th Netherlands and type=superroute

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 7:19 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > Dave Swarthout writes: > > > But when a highway has an officially assigned ref doesn't that define it > as > > "classified"? I don't have a large stake in this discussion but it would > > You would

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Greg Troxel
Dave Swarthout writes: > But when a highway has an officially assigned ref doesn't that define it as > "classified"? I don't have a large stake in this discussion but it would You would think. But no. In the UK, there is a notion of A/B/C roads, and then unclassified.

Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Peter Elderson
I map everything as long as it’s waymarked. If a variant is waymarked and named, it belongs to the route. It is the hierarchy I am not sure how to tag exactly. I see type=route in th Netherlands and type=superroute in Germany for the same type of hierarchy, and both seem to display fine on

Re: [Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Warin
Even local hiking routes can have variations in starting and stopping places as well as route variations to accommodate things. I take the view that the 'normal' route is what I map. The different start/stopping options lie along the route and can be accessed by those using the route. Just

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Warin
+1 with Tod Fitch. The OSM/UK road types are relevant in the UK, but need to be translated for use elsewhere. On 08/05/18 04:53, Tod Fitch wrote: I sometimes think those of us who speak a dialect of English other than that of the UK should simply view tag values as “code words” and not worry

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Warin
Dave ... careful with the use of logic where OSM tagging is concerned. The road values come from the UK system, and need to be adapted to other places. So 'unclassified' may be translated to some type of road in another part of the world that could carry a reference. On 07/05/18 22:02, Dave

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Tod Fitch
I sometimes think those of us who speak a dialect of English other than that of the UK should simply view tag values as “code words” and not worry about the definition is. We already have wiki pages dedicated to helping translate local road levels into OSM/UK road classifications. Just accept

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
Russia is an example of this, they have many unpaved quarternary and quinary roads. 07-05-2018 21:13 tarihinde Kevin Kenny yazdı: > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, yo paseopor > wrote: > > The topic is the classification of OSM is not the

[Tagging] Tagging national/international routes.

2018-05-07 Thread Peter Elderson
I've been searching the wiki's for a good description of how to tag long hiking routes, particularly compound international routes with separate sections per country, where the national section is also a national path on its own which in turn consists of several (sometimes many) sections.

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Erkin Alp Güney
OSM use is all D roads and rural U roads. Urban U roads are highway=residential. 07-05-2018 17:35 tarihinde Rory McCann yazdı: > On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have >> highway=unclassified >> with officially assigned and posted ref

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Kevin Kenny
On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 12:47 PM, yo paseopor wrote: > The topic is the classification of OSM is not the same as countries have, > and this make troubles. An UNCLASSIFIED road as its name says it is > unclassified...but when you need some road classification with a step more

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 7. May 2018, at 18:47, yo paseopor wrote: > > Also it is the same problem with trunk or primary: whatis the difference > between trunk of one lane per direction and a primary road? in Germany and Italy (and probably some more places) the

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Paul Johnson
That's basically the highway=unclassified tag. On Mon, May 7, 2018, 12:07 Vao Matua wrote: > There are many places where people live in Africa that could be tagged as > Rural_Residential if that tag existed. > > On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Dave Swarthout

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Vao Matua
There are many places where people live in Africa that could be tagged as Rural_Residential if that tag existed. On Mon, May 7, 2018 at 9:57 AM, Dave Swarthout wrote: > yopaseopor wrote: I suggest to reclassify the other roads in their grades > to make unclassified

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
yopaseopor wrote: I suggest to reclassify the other roads in their grades to make unclassified roads unclassified as the name says it. +1 I agree with your view but this topic is full of issues. In Thailand, for example, we use "unclassified" for any highway that a) has no ref, and b), is

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread yo paseopor
The topic is the classification of OSM is not the same as countries have, and this make troubles. An UNCLASSIFIED road as its name says it is unclassified...but when you need some road classification with a step more than tertiary then you use unclassified, and if the road has ref...you put in

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/7/18 10:35 AM, Rory McCann wrote: > On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: >> I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have >> highway=unclassified >> with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check >> whatever my edit on >>

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Rory McCann
On 06/05/18 09:41, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I am pretty sure that it is entirely possible to have highway=unclassified with officially assigned and posted ref number, but I wanted to check whatever my edit on https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified was correct. Yes it

Re: [Tagging] Is it possible to have highway=unclassified with ref tag?

2018-05-07 Thread Dave Swarthout
But when a highway has an officially assigned ref doesn't that define it as "classified"? I don't have a large stake in this discussion but it would seem to me that any road so ranked by the authorities should not be tagged as unclassified. My 2 cents Dave On Sun, May 6, 2018 at 12:19 PM,

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - key:spacing=*

2018-05-07 Thread Peter Elderson
It's mainly about the naturals tree_row and forest, they are mapped without specifying individula trees. Of they contain trees that are in themselves interesting enough, they can be mapped individually, but most trees are just trees in a forest or row. A useful atrribute of forest or treerow is