Re: [Tagging] RFC - landcover clearing

2018-09-22 Thread Mateusz Konieczny
22. Sep 2018 00:38 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : > > On 21/09/18 23:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: > > >> >> I am not sure why landcover=clearing is described as better >> than other.>> >> >> >> If someone

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-22 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref? I found a sign cycling today. 奥戸防災ステーション Okudo (village) "Disaster prevention station" The "river" is implied - "river disaster prevention station" is a huge mouthful. The

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread dktue
Am 22.09.2018 um 00:29 schrieb Warin: On 21/09/18 23:52, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 21. Sep 2018, at 11:28, dktue wrote: but: it's not amenity=ambulance_station we're using at the moment. We're using emergency=ambulance_station -- so: How do we solve this? I’m not

Re: [Tagging] RFC - landcover clearing

2018-09-22 Thread Warin
On 22/09/18 17:39, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: 22. Sep 2018 00:38 by 61sundow...@gmail.com : On 21/09/18 23:16, Mateusz Konieczny wrote: I am not sure why landcover=clearing is described as better than other. If someone wants to leave

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2018, at 14:22, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > But let's look at some other countries for the default urban speed limit. are these actual weight numbers, or max gross weight? Cheers, Martin ___ Tagging mailing list

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
You just forgot to mention the table would solve this :-) https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Default_speed_limits#The_table And there should be a link to it on these pages : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Speed_limits#Country_code.2Fcategory_conversion_table

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Toll Gantry

2018-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 19. Sep 2018, at 23:23, Jonathon McClung wrote: > > The tag barrier=toll_booth is currently not specific. In fact, when it is > used in the case of a non-barrier electronic toll gantry, it is misleading. maybe it is even mistagged? Looking at taginfo I see 64

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread Philip Barnes
On 22 September 2018 16:53:23 BST, Colin Smale wrote: >On 2018-09-22 17:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > >> The thing about a (non-) emergency police station could be that some >police stations close (at night, at noon, on weekends), so you would >not rely on them for emergencies. > >In an

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread Thilo Haug OSM
Hi all, I think this should be discussed here (centrally) : https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:WikiProject_Emergency_Cleanup#amenity.3D.2A_vs._emergency.3D.2A Generally I don't understand why the parameters can't be "mixed" (a police station is a police station, whether for emergency or

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-09-22 Thread Daniele Santini
> Message: 7 > Date: Sat, 22 Sep 2018 06:42:30 +0900 > From: John Willis > To: "Tag discussion, strategy and related tools" > > Subject: Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose > Message-ID: <688ef169-5441-4a7b-819f-3764eac4c...@mac.com> > Content-Type: text/plain;

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-22 17:24, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > The thing about a (non-) emergency police station could be that some police > stations close (at night, at noon, on weekends), so you would not rely on > them for emergencies. In an emergency you don't go to the {police,ambulance,fire} station,

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread Colin Smale
Well said, I agree wholeheartedly. A local, anecdotal view is in itself not enough to produce a data model that works for everyone. On 2018-09-22 14:22, Tobias Zwick wrote: > Tagging an implicit speed limit explicitly for example in town with > maxspeed=50 is straightforward enough for Germany.

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread Tobias Zwick
Tagging an implicit speed limit explicitly for example in town with maxspeed=50 is straightforward enough for Germany. It seems natural that no specialist knowledge is required for that kind of thing. For a German. But let's look at some other countries for the default urban speed limit. Spain

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Toll Gantry

2018-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2018, at 22:50, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > A toll_bridge [1] is a bridge for which you have to pay to pass, > highway=toll_bridge should be a highway that is a toll-bridge, not a > mechanical structure that is installed above a road to check the passing >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2018, at 23:48, Tobias Zwick wrote: > > What do you mean, what is the difference? > > maxspeed:conditional=xx @ (weight > yy) would be the former or the latter? in German: zulässiges Gesamtgewicht vs. Gewicht ___

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-22 Thread Warin
I don't think OSM can use wikipedia as a source? Something about incompatible licences. How to calculate prominence will need to documented in OSM rather than refer to wikipoedia. On 23/09/18 11:04, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: For most peaks, it's only necessary to know the elevation of the

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-22 Thread Peter Elderson
Edi & change status, I would say. Seems a pretty clear case, just maybe not something many mappers or users are very concerned with. But that's not a problem as long as there is a clear definition, solid data and a steady group of mappers/users. I would say, just do it and document it. Op zo 23

[Tagging] JOSM error for a bus lane conditional

2018-09-22 Thread Warin
Hi, There is a past entry of lanes:bus:conditional=1 @ (Mo-Fr 06:00-10:00,15:00-19:00) That JOSM says is incorrect. There is a declared 2 lanes there on the way. What is wrong with that tagging? One lane for buses between 6 to 10 and 15 to 19 hundred hours.

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Toll Gantry

2018-09-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
A toll_bridge [1] is a bridge for which you have to pay to pass, highway=toll_bridge should be a highway that is a toll-bridge, not a mechanical structure that is installed above a road to check the passing traffic. This would be a gantry [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gantry_(road_sign) [1]

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - assembly_point:purpose

2018-09-22 Thread John Willis
> On Sep 22, 2018, at 11:03 PM, Daniele Santini wrote: > > edit the proposal substituting the old tag and values with the new tags or > create a new proposal with the new tags? If you feel the original proposal (or the discussion around it) is valuable, start a new one. If it is of minor or

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-22 23:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > sent from a phone > >> On 22. Sep 2018, at 17:53, Colin Smale wrote: >> >> Opening_hours should cover this, i.e. when can the public just turn up and >> speak to someone. But that is not going to be an emergency. > > maybe service_times could

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
For most peaks, it's only necessary to know the elevation of the nearby saddles and peaks to find the prominence. For example, walk to the top of the hill and record the elevation. Look around and find any taller nearby peaks. If there is only 1 taller hill, walk down the ridge line to the lowest

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Toll Gantry

2018-09-22 Thread Colin Smale
On 2018-09-22 22:50, Volker Schmidt wrote: > A toll_bridge [1] is a bridge for which you have to pay to pass, > highway=toll_bridge should be a highway that is a toll-bridge, not a > mechanical structure that is installed above a road to check the passing > traffic. This would be a gantry [2]

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Toll Gantry

2018-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2018, at 23:12, Volker Schmidt wrote: > > The proposed highway=toll_gantry is one possibility. > It woud prefer something like > highway=gantry > gantry=traffic_signals | speed_camera | automatic_toll_collection | ... then I would go for man_made (tagging the

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread Warin
On 23/09/18 07:54, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: sent from a phone On 22. Sep 2018, at 17:53, Colin Smale wrote: Opening_hours should cover this, i.e. when can the public just turn up and speak to someone. But that is not going to be an emergency. maybe service_times could cover it,

Re: [Tagging] Emergency=levee_breach_materials

2018-09-22 Thread Anton Klim
Why not levee_repair? Good to know they have a name and a list 2018-09-22 9:12 GMT+01:00 John Willis : > > > On Sep 21, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Anton Klim wrote: > > Do these have anything to identify them, like a ref? > > > I found a sign cycling today. > > 奥戸防災ステーション > > Okudo (village) "Disaster

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread Tobias Zwick
What do you mean, what is the difference? maxspeed:conditional=xx @ (weight > yy) would be the former or the latter? On 22/09/2018 16:20, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > > > sent from a phone > >> On 22. Sep 2018, at 14:22, Tobias Zwick wrote: >> >> But let's look at some other countries for

[Tagging] Why isn't the amenity=parking object part of the relation ?

2018-09-22 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Friday, September 14, 2018, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: > Here is an example for a site with a parking where you can't use a multipolygon (as the shop is a node), ignore the "role" name, I just made it up and it is not standard, and there are no other tags on the site for the moment. >

Re: [Tagging] maxspeed:type vs source:maxspeed // StreetComplete

2018-09-22 Thread SelfishSeahorse
On Wednesday, September 19, 2018, Tobias Zwick wrote: >>> Anyway, for a beginner : is one key even better ? -> should we allow >>> “maxspeed=no_sign” ? Or/and “maxspeed=default” ? >> >> Way too ambiguous to be remotely workable in North America. > > Is it? I think what djakk is arguing for, and

Re: [Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Toll Gantry

2018-09-22 Thread Volker Schmidt
In OSM at present there are some twenty gantries for toll collection tagged as highway=toll_bridge. They should be retagged as gantries with equipment for toll collection or whatever their purpose is. The proposed highway=toll_gantry is one possibility. It woud prefer something like highway=gantry

Re: [Tagging] Area of Firestations / Area of Ambulancestations

2018-09-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 22. Sep 2018, at 17:53, Colin Smale wrote: > > Opening_hours should cover this, i.e. when can the public just turn up and > speak to someone. But that is not going to be an emergency. maybe service_times could cover it, opening_hours are about something different.

[Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-22 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I've been tagging peaks (natural=peak) with the key prominence= Prominence is a natural feature with a use similar to elevation. When I see ele=*, I know how high the top of the peak is, but not how tall the peak is compared to the surrounding land. For example, a hill in my valley may have

Re: [Tagging] Topographic Prominence for Peaks

2018-09-22 Thread Warin
On 23/09/18 10:00, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: I've been tagging peaks (natural=peak) with the key prominence= Prominence is a natural feature with a use similar to elevation. When I see ele=*, I know how high the top of the peak is, but not how tall the peak is compared to the surrounding land.