Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Since the tag man_made=threshing_floor has already been used 7 times ( https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values) you can create a page to document this, however, you would also need to mention that historic=threshing_floor is much more common (actually

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Clifford Snow
Out of curiosity I decided to look at how USGS defines lakes and ponds after noticing that their Feature Code is listed as lake/pond. Here is how they define the two, as well as rivers and streams and mountains and hills. *There are no official definitions for generic terms as applied to

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: "what about artificial lakes that are not for storing water?" Most of those are landuse=basin (or water=basin + natural=water if you prefer the newer tagging scheme), and while they are not exactly for "storing water", they might be for "preventing flooding", or "temporarily holding excess

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I think the question here isn't if pond makes sense for data consumers. Mappers are what matters in this case. If there is a little 4 meter pond, mappers will not tag it as a lake because it sounds wrong. So they will probably tag it just natural=water. But then we lose information about if it is

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Re: is water=* tag needed? On Thu, Nov 12, 2020 at 9:36 AM Brian M. Sperlongano wrote: > "Is a water= tag even needed at all in these cases then? natural=water + name="Foobar Pond" seems to cover it. I'm not sure what specific added information is conveyed by "lake", "pond", or even

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Brian M. Sperlongano
Is a water= tag even needed at all in these cases then? natural=water + name="Foobar Pond" seems to cover it. I'm not sure what specific added information is conveyed by "lake", "pond", or even "lake_pond". It's a natural body of water with a name. If we need tagging to indicate freshwater vs

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Yes, it matters if it's flowing water, because rivers/streams (and artificial waterways like canals, ditches and drains) are clearly distinct from standing water bodies like lakes, reservoirs and basins. This is a clearly observable difference which local mappers can survey. Currently a number of

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Paul Allen
On Thu, 12 Nov 2020 at 19:30, Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Re: is water=* tag needed? > > But since water=pond is not clearly defined as natura/semi-natural vs > man-made, we have a large number of features where the water=* tag is not > providing this information. Since the previous tagging

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - training=bicycle

2020-11-12 Thread Mathieu
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/training%3Dbicycle To describe the bicycle lessons often provided by shops or other bicycle related places This attribute could be applied to different kinds of POIs : an NGO or public administration could provide such lessons

Re: [Tagging] How to tag a threshing floor

2020-11-12 Thread António Madeira via Tagging
Thank you, Joseph. If no one opposes, I'll do just that. Regards. Às 16:43 de 12/11/2020, Joseph Eisenberg escreveu: Since the tag man_made=threshing_floor has already been used 7 times (https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/search?q=threshing_floor#values) you can create a page to document this,

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Adam Franco
I'm wondering if rather than deprecating water=pond, it would be better to keep it as a value with overlapping usage to lake (like river/stream) and instead focus tagging on the actual differences between different bodies of water. I'd suggest two new tags that get at the heart of what I've been

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Place of mourning (replacing "Chapel of rest")

2020-11-12 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
See comments on the last proposal: "*It is redundant. I really don't understand why we need another tag for a room or building where families and friends can come and view someone who has died before their funeral. The tag shop=funeral_directors fits perfectly the definition of this new tag

Re: [Tagging] Feature proposal - RFC - Place of mourning (replacing "Chapel of rest")

2020-11-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
sent from a phone > On 12. Nov 2020, at 21:10, Joseph Eisenberg > wrote: > > You need to explain this on the new proposal page. Note that on > Tag:shop=funeral_directors it says "an event (sometimes with the deceased's > body present) to honor the deceased for mourners are held here in

Re: [Tagging] Tagging becoming more mature

2020-11-12 Thread bkil
Although, I understand that there could exist some special meanings of the word "park": https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/park The most widely understood meaning also documented in Wikipedia seems to be consistent: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park And anyway, terms must be understood in their GB

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread nathan case
I strongly disagree with the notion of splitting ponds and lakes by natural or artificial/man-made. Not only is this often incredibly difficult to verify, it also leads to this complex situation of needing multiple tags for what are, essentially, the same features. The current notion of an

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread stevea
nathan case wrote: Not only is this often incredibly difficult to verify, it also leads to this complex situation of needing multiple tags for what are, essentially, the same features. A well-designed tagging scheme (doesn’t have to be a formal proposal, but benefits greatly by being dressed

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Peter Elderson
I am surprised nobody has suggested a pondness or lakicity scale yet. Best, Peter Elderson Op do 12 nov. 2020 om 02:46 schreef stevea : > If we're going to do "this:" > > So perhaps we could create a new tag water=natural_pond for small, > natural or semi-natural lakes which are currently

[Tagging] Feature Proposal - Voting - Admission relations

2020-11-12 Thread Janko Mihelić
I started the voting process on the Admission proposal. Admission is a potential new concept in OpenStreetMap, and it might get updated in the future, but I think this is a good first step. Thanks for taking the time to vote and comment!

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread OSM
Am 11.11.2020 um 18:25 schrieb Peter Elderson: I am getting a foot vs hiking feeling. Everybody knows a difference, nobody has the same difference. In the end, it does not matter. Hmm - does it matter, if it is a river or a stream or a lake or a pond? Especially a lake with a river flowing

Re: [Tagging] Tagging becoming more mature

2020-11-12 Thread stevea
On Nov 12, 2020, at 3:18 AM, bkil wrote: > Although, I understand that there could exist some special meanings of > the word "park": > https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/park Jó napot, bikl! There is quite a bit of history here, both past (early in OSM, as leisure=park developed and was both

Re: [Tagging] Deprecate water=pond?

2020-11-12 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
Am Do., 12. Nov. 2020 um 02:33 Uhr schrieb Joseph Eisenberg < joseph.eisenb...@gmail.com>: > Ok, it looks like enough people feel that a very small artificial water > body, like a decorative pond in a residential garden, shouldn't be tagged > as water=reservoir or water=basin, so we need a